Talk:Poppy Drayton

Poppy Drayton Birthday

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 – Discussion properly belongs here. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:58, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Seriously why are you always undoing the birthday of Poppy Drayton?! SHE CONFIRMED HERSELF ON HER OFFICIAL TWITTER that June 7th is her birthday, do you need a birth certificate to actually understand that... On Twitter a user asked her when her birthday is and she tweets that it's June 7th (read the damn conversation):

https://twitter.com/amberlestan/status/685582165636198401

here again her answer tweet to the above question tweet:

https://twitter.com/PoppyDrayton/status/685727322608107521

so change it back to June 7th and stop undoing the change all the time... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.17.205.52 (talk) 08:04, January 11, 2016‎ (UTC)

OK, here are the issues with this:

1. You guys were adding her date of birth (DOB) without adding an Inline citation for it – for a so-called Biography of living person like this article is you have to add inline citation for pretty much any information that is added in order for it to be Verifiable. This is all covered at WP:BLP. Without an Inline citation, policy dictates the information needs to be removed.
2. When you guys cited Twitter in your Edit summaries, you only cited the second Tweet listed above, which just literally says "June 21st" without citing the first Tweet, so the second Tweet was totally without context and thus not usable to establish Verifiability of DOB. (However, both Tweets together may now do this...)
3. The second Tweet only cites her birthday, but does not cite her birthyear, so I'm not sure it's good enough.
4. Using Twitter as a "Reliable source" is generally not considered sufficient on Wikipedia (see WP:TWITTER).
5. Under WP:BLPPRIVACY, we're not supposed to publish birthdates on Wikipedia unless the DOB "have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object." The Twitter post may meet the second criteria, but the first is definitely not met.

So, at this point, I think I'd like more opinions – I'm going to try and see if I can get some other editors to take a look at this by posting to WP:BLPN... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Poppy Drayton's account is a verified twitter account (see WP:TWITTER) so we can use tweets made by Drayton as a reference for info about Drayton and only about Drayton as long as not unduly self-serving. The info by her about herself meets WP:BLPPRIVACY requirements for birth info as it is being released by her. However, as a primary source we can't make any interpretation beyond what she explicitly says about herself so we can use June 7 as the month and day of her birthday. I see nothing about the year she was born in the tweet links given so there is no reference for that there so we do not have a reference for her full birth date, the circa year is just an approximation as permitted by WP:BLPPRIVACY. So still need a year reference of some sort (age mentioned in dated reliable source publication for example) before there is a referenced birth date. She may not wish to release the year she was born and we should respect that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:07, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

OK. Article is currently completely unreferenced, so I'll try to get on that today, and see if there's any article where her age is given. Failing that, I'll put the two Tweets together into a cite, and add that to the article, for her birthday, soon. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I suggest waiting for a year reference before adding the month and day to the article. Kind of meaningless to be precise on month and day with only an approximation for the year. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:15, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, see, that's what I think too. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 18:43, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

OK, I've sourced (and expanded, a little) the article, but I'm still striking out on getting a verified source for age or birthyear. If anyone has anything, please post a link to it here! --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:55, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't see a source for her middle name/birthname also required per WP:BLPPRIVACY Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:12, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

TV Guide has that, here. Of course, this same TV Guide page apparently has her DOB wrong, so... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:20, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Reiterating...

To reiterate, here is where we are: Two Twitter posts, together, get us to Poppy Drayton's birthday being June 7. But we have no current sourcing for either Drayton's age or year of birth. As per the above discussion, it would be mostly WP:Trivia to include just a partial birthday (with no birthyear), so it's better to just leave the whole thing out for now. However, if people insist upon including "June 7" in the article: 1) it must be sourced inline, and 2) it should not be included in either the lede or the Infobox. Pinging Geraldo Perez as the only other editor (thus far) to participate in this discussion. But, as the unsourced full date-of-birth has recently been edit-warred into the article by an IP editor (subsequently blocked), I'm going to once again remove that from the article, as per WP:BLP. 21:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Aged 22 in December 2013[1]. It would be one of the most convoluted DoBs I've seen, but might not raise many objections. HTH. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 21:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Nice get! Let me add that source to the article, and see what I can do... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

 Done! If someone can think of a less "clunky" way to handle this, feel free! But hopefully this will mollify the IP editors who wanted the DOB included... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2016

Hello, I am submitting just adding a suggestion. Poppy has been dating a personal friend of mine for about two years. His name is David Garber and lives in Seattle, working as a Microsoft Marketing Executive.

50.54.220.222 (talk) 05:46, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

 Not done In order to add that, it would need to be (well) sourced from Reliable sources (i.e. not "tabloid" newspapers, like the ones in the UK). Second, it's questionable whether it's appropriate to include such information – many editors feel that dating lives of celebrities does not belong in an encyclopedia. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 06:01, 13 January 2016 (UTC)