Talk:Potato chip/Archive 2

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Requested move 13 September 2016

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The result of the move request was: Not Moved Mike Cline (talk) 13:54, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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Potato chip → Potato chips – Although WP:SINGULAR recommends singular titles for most articles, I think the plural form should be used because potato chips/crisps almost always talked about in large amounts, as opposed individually Prisencolin (talk) 04:13, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support - to set a precedent to change articles like louse. Red Slash 18:51, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support — WP:COMMONNAME is far more important than WP:SINGULAR (which can very easily be interpreted to say that plural should be used in this case). It's a no brainer, Joe or Jane Average will say "chips" (or "crisps") if asked to put a name to the subject. Murph9000 (talk) 19:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
• And remember that USA "potato chips" = British "(potato) crisps" and USA "French fries" = British "(potato) chips". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose this move per WP:SINGULAR 2601:541:4305:C70:2538:3F9A:EA85:8E90 (talk) 18:37, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:SINGULAR exists for a reason, to ensure WP:CONSISTENCY and also because singulars are usually WP:CONCISE. There is no reason to create an exception here, as a "potato chip" is a perfectly valid item on its own, it doesn't have to exist in conjunction with others. (Unlike scissors and trousers, which are the permitted counterexamples at WP:SINGULAR). Plenty of things are found almost always in sets - pea, raisin, sock, and indeed louse, to name just a few, but we don't break with our guidelines for them and we shouldn't here either.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:45, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support: I was prepared to oppose for the exact same reason as Amakuru: WP:SINGULAR and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (plurals) would suggest leaving this at Potato chip. But the title is awkward, as most people will only encounter the food as "potato chips". I think it's more similar to other foods where the combination of several units creates a single dish. We use plurals in potato dishes like French fries (and variants like Carne asada fries, Curly fries and cheese fries), s tater tots, German fries, home fries, potato wedges, steak frites, funeral potatoes, etc., and this is more similar to those dishes than to, say, a hamburger, enchilada, or Cuban sandwich.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:19, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

• I'm not convinced by some of these examples. "Steak frite" and "funeral potato" are non-existent backformations, not correct singulars of "steak frites" (itself already singular) and "funeral potatoes" (a mass noun; saying "funeral potato" makes as much sense as using "mathematic" as a noun). Meanwhile, "Tater Tots" is a generocised trademark; "Tater Tot" is not a thing. That leaves the various "wedges" and "fries" formations, but frankly I don't see why they should be exceptions to WP:SINGULAR when (as Amakuru points out) "pea", "sock", and "raisin" are all given in the singular. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 12:55, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

"Steak frite", "funeral potato", and "tater tot" all certainly do exist. However, they'd be awkward titles, just as "potato chip" is, in my opinion, and "french fry" would be. People encounter these subjects as dishes, and the dish here is called "potato chips", just as the dish involving steak and fries is "steak frites". "Pea" and "raisin" differ somewhat in that they're not describing dishes.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:SINGULAR. Although chips are eaten in large number, all but the most uncivilised eat them one potato chip at a time. In this respect, a potato chip is like a grape. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 05:50, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
  • No one can eat just one.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:20, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:SINGULAR because I can eat just one. I'm always open to pushing convention if it really improves something, but this doesn't. There is no confusion caused by following the guideline and using the singular. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 23:18, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:SINGULAR - Current title is correct. –Davey2010^Talk 18:42, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
• Support — WP:COMMONNAME beats WP:SINGULAR ... after all, a debate on a single "S" has generated a thousand words. Well said User:CaeciliusinhortoDolphx (talk) 21:04, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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Another health concerns?

Additives from MSG can cause cancer? Can people limit it to once in a while. Too much it can cause adverse health effects, even worse, cancer, from MSG. 124.106.128.178 (talk) 23:22, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your goal is by posting this here. This page isn't a forum for general discussion about potato chips; it is specifically for talking about this article and editorial questions. Please see WP:NOTFORUM. Thanks. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 23:24, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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German names

The article currently states: In German-speaking countries (Austria, Germany: "Kartoffelchips", or colloquially Pommes or Fritten; Switzerland: "Pommes Chips") and in countries of the former SFR Yugoslavia, fried thin potato slices are known as "chips" (locally pronounced very similarly to the English pronunciation), with a clear distinction from French fries. This is not entirely correct. The term "Kartoffelchips" (or simply "Chips") is correct for the fried thin potato slices that are typically served cold. However, at least in Germany, the terms "Pommes" or "Fritten" (colloquial short names for "Pommes frites", which is the French/Belgian term that was introduced into the German language) apply to fried potato sticks (French fries) that are typically served hot and these terms are not colloquial synonyms of "Kartoffelchips". --136.8.33.71 (talk) 12:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2021

“Potato chips” is an Americanism for “crisps”.

Crisps were first described by an Englishman in William Kitchens’s book “The Cook’s Oracle. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kitchiner#The_Cook's_Oracle

“ Potato chips (often just chips), or crisps (in British and Irish English)”. There is no such language as “British English”. It is just “English”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_language

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English

I would suggest this sentence is changed to “Crisps, or potato chips (in American English)” as it is leading with the name first coined for this food, and followed by the correct label for the language. 2A00:23C6:AF12:E300:CC1D:9F61:369E:26C6 (talk) 10:45, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. see past discussion. Cannolis (talk) 13:44, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Origins?

The section on "Origins" cites old recipes calling for potatoes to be sliced a quarter inch thick. I am not convinced that these recipes refer to what we would call potato chips. Potato chips, as that term has come to be understood, are not cut a quarter inch thick. Home fries, or augratin potatoes, or things like that are cut a quarter inch thick. The whole point of potato chips, and why they became so famous when introduced at Saratoga Springs, is that they were cut extremely thinly, so when fried they light, airy and crispy - not a quarter inch thick. Those early recipes show that people fried sliced potatoes, but not that they made potato chips. Svaihingen (talk) 18:20, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

That section also mentions "or cut them in shavings round and round, as you would peel a lemon". That sounds more like a potato crisp. Indeed, that's what's quoted in the linked The Telegraph article. We could probably omit "slice them about a quarter of an inch thick" for clarity. --Inops (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Eliminating "slice them about a quarter of an inch thick" invalidates this as a source proving that chips/crisps were invented earlier than George Crumb. The "shavings on a lemon" would indicate more shoestring fries more than chips. The Telegraph article is behind a pay wall, and the paper itself is notorious for bias against people of color. Svaihingen's points are valid and the article should be reverted back.

There's nothing wrong with referencing paywalled articles. If your lemon peels end up looking like "shoestring" fries, then I think you may be peeling lemons wrong. To the paper being "notorious for bias against people of color", that's absolute piffle. --Inops (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2021

Please include information that most of potato chip products include monosodium glutamate, which health effects are debatable and subject of controversy. 5.173.165.104 (talk) 18:36, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done This would be undue weight. In regards to MSG as an ingredient, I'd suggest you read this FAQ from the Food and Drug Adminstration: [1]. Clovermoss (talk) 19:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Crisps

They are always call 'crips' in British English never 'chips', which refers to something different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.102.215.167 (talk) 18:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 March 2022

The oldest potato chip company in the United States is incorrect. Granite State Chip Company pre-dates Tri-sum by a few years.

EPA listing with Granite State date:

https://ordspub.epa.gov/ords/cimc/f?p=100:31::::31,0:P31_ID:111271

Dunn & Bradstreet listing:

https://www.dandb.com/businessdirectory/granitestatepotatochipcompanyinc-salem-nh-3684.html 75.68.47.48 (talk) 00:10, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done with an additional source: [2]. Heartmusic678 (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2022

Due to the fact “crisps” were invented in the United Kingdom I believe they should be first known as “crisps” and not “potato chips” as this is not the original term. Thank you. 92.233.228.229 (talk) 17:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:59, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2022

I request that the following line be removed from the wikipedia page in the "Production" section under "Kettle-Cooked Chips"

"…resulting in a style of chip called "hard bite"

The reason for this request is because the term "Hardbite" is a specific brand name of a chip and a registered trademark. Hardbite/hard bite are not general terms that should be used to describe all types of kettle-cooked chips. Tianacoates (talk) 20:06, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: Per the source, That starch, the slightly thicker cut and a lower oil temperature give the chip a serious crunch. The style is called hard-bite. Since 2004, hard-bites have been far and away the fastest growing potato chip category. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

EVS

write recipes of various food items prepared using different method of food preservation like chips 175.101.27.178 (talk) 04:26, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

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Bundled Ketchup potato chip and Ketchup potato chips as well. Jay 💬 17:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I've made an edit where I massively trimmed the content surrounding regional varieties. [3] I'm not sure if it's a bit too deletionist? Is it possible I'm throwing out something that's usable? My main objective is to add more content about ketchup chips as I explained in the RfD, but I don't want to make it seem like that's the only regional variety you can find in North America. Advice is welcomed. As an aside, I wanted to apologize to Blaze Wolf and Thryduulf for my comment a few days ago about this being an "obvious" keep. One of the values I try to live by is that reasonable people can disagree and upon reflection that comment wasn't the most collegial of me. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:16, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

IT's alright Clover. Sometimes things that may seem like they would be obvious and well known to you might not be for others. Take this for an example, you being a Canadian are used to seeing ketchup chips in basically every store because those are a regional variety in Canada, however me being an AMerican, I've never heard of ketchup chips before and wanted to see what they are, only to simply be told they are a flavor of chip in Canada which isn't helpful to me at all. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)