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hai he had some of the telugu movies which u r not added that is example kodamasimham which the hero is chiranjeevi and other some other movies r their but i not able to remember so please check that one............ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.200.11.197 (talk) 18:57, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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He's alive. Plz. stop pronouncing him dead or I'll ask the wikipedia to block edits to this page --59.90.179.156 (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

I also agree that many IPs (not you though) kept changing information. I hope this will slow down in the protection period. Torreslfchero (talk) 09:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Facts relating to his later career needs more attention in wikipedia

These two have done 2 sets of films. Some as 2 friends around whom the story revolved. Whereas the other dozen films had them as enemies. There are 27 films so the names need to be mentioned. Pran's heroine in Yamla Jat was Ranjhana. Why this fact is termed as garbage? Irrelevant details like what Amitabh said on Pran receiving the award finds a mention in wiki - this is irrelevant. Facts relating to his career needs more attention in wikipedia and not who were the previous recipients of Dadasaheb Phalke award - again this is an irrelevant detail put in wiki. When Pran's films with Amitabh, Dev, Dilip Kumar, Raj Kapoor finds a mention, why not Pran's films with Shashi and Ashok Kumar???PrithviSanju (talk) 08:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

His performances in films like Jangal Main Mangal(1972)(where he had a double role - as an old man and a hippie student)has not been mentioned about in later career section. From 1971-2007, he took up more and more positive roles but never repeated his characters. He did only 16 villainous characters. (Maryada (film), Naya Zamana, Jawan Muhabat, Aan Baan, Roop Tera Mastana, Yeh Gulistan Hamara, Gaddar, Rahu Ketu, Andha Kanoon (1983), Duniya (1984), Insaaf Kaun Karega, Durgaa, Bewafai, Hoshiyar, Dharm Adhikari and Azaad Desh Ke Ghulam.)

Pran played villains in the Telugu films Tandra Paparayudu (1986) and Kodama Simham (1990) with Cheeranjivi and in the Kannada film Hosa Raaga in 1991. His association with directors from 70's to 90's like Prakash Mehra, Manmohan Desai, Shibu Mitra and producer S.K.Kapur - do not find any mention in later career section. His films with Shashi Kapoor deserve a special mention too.PrithviSanju (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:07, 13 April 2013 (UTC)

Make use of the ref

Wiki Editors make use of the artcile http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Bollywood/The-life-of-a-legendary-villain-Pran/Article1-1091712.aspx. Currently wiki article on Pran especially afetr his death - looks very incomplete.Lionbase1234 (talk) 06:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 July 2013

122.169.45.205 (talk) 06:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC) Pran has worked in a film Seesh Mahal(1950) which gave him big popularity.It may be now mentioned in the list of film he worked.

 Not done He has worked in many films and only notable films are listed in the article. Also that you haven't provided any source for the popularity he gained from the film. Tolly4bolly 08:09, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request on 13th July

There are many information missing which have been deleted - just see the comparison- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pran&diff=564093394&oldid=564001328

The following citations are references for information which was deleted from wiki artcile http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Bollywood/The-life-of-a-legendary-villain-Pran/Article1-1091712.aspx. http://entertainment.oneindia.in/bollywood/features/2013/all-time-best-movies-pran-114394.html http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/ENT-when-villain-of-the-millennium-pran-played-a-hero-4318416-PHO.html?seq=9 http://www.thenews.com.pk/article-109109-Fabled-Indian-actor-Pran-dies-at-93 http://netindian.in/news/2013/07/12/00025166/veteran-actor-pran-passes-away-93-mumbaiMrityudaata (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

The new version looks better to me. We don't add every source we can find, and we don't list every tidbit of information that's available. Is there something specific from those sources that you think needs to be added/re-added? Qwyrxian (talk) 14:50, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request on 14th July

Present article on wikipedia needs following additions again

1. First Mistake is he ws born in [Old Delhi]], British India
2. Name of his children - Arvind Sikand
   Sunil Sikand
   Pinky Sikand
3. http://www.hindustantimes.com/Entertainment/Bollywood/The-life-of-a-legendary-villain-Pran/Article1-1091712.aspx can be used for providing ref for following lines

• Pran was offered the role of a leading man in films like Nanha Farishta(1969),Dharma (1973), Ek Kunwari Ek Kunwara, Jangal Mein Mangal, Rahu Ketu.
• Pran occasionally accepted the role of a bad man from 1971-1992.He played villain only in 16 films from 1971 like Maryada (film)]], Naya Zamana, Jawan Muhabat, Aan Baan, Roop Tera Mastana, Yeh Gulistan Hamara, Gaddar, Rahu Ketu, Andha Kanoon (1983), Duniya (1984), Insaaf Kaun Karega, Durgaa, Bewafai, Hoshiyar, Dharm Adhikari and Azaad Desh Ke Ghulam

1. http://www.indiawest.com/.../10346-The-Legend-of-Pran--Latest-Dada-Saheb-%20Phalke-Award-Winner.html can be used to say - Pran had dual roles in Khoon Ka Rishta, Insaaf, Jangal Mein Mangal
2. http://www.starlive24.in/entertainment/bollywood/the-life-of-a-legendary-villain--pran/28478.html and even http://www.dhakatribune.com/arts-amp-culture/2013/jul/13/life-legendary-villain-pran

provides the data that

• From 1967 till 1997, he became a well-known character actor with films such as Humjoli, Parichay, Aankhon Aankhon Mein, Jheel Ke Us Paar, Zinda Dil, Hatyara, Chor Ho To Aisa, Dhan Daulat, Jaanwar (1983), Raaj Tilak, Bewafai, Imaandaar, Sanam Bewafa, 1942: A Love Story and Tere Mere Sapne.

1. http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-92-facts-you-didnt-know-about-pran-part-three/20130712.htm#1 provides the line -

• In the 1960s and early 1970s, Pran was in his 40s. Since he was slim and fit, his demand in the industry never went down and he was given important roles as a character aging between 25 to 30 in films starring Shammi Kapoor, Joy Mukherjee, Rajendra Kumar and Dharmendra.

1. http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-92-facts-you-didnt-know-about-pran-part-three/20130712.htm#7 should be used to say

Pran's trademark action of blowing perfect smoke rings while smoking his cigarettes was done by him for very first time in Badi Behen(1949).

• http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-92-facts-you-didnt-know-about-pran-part-two/20120423.htm#4

At the age of 78, Pran suffered a heart attack in 1998. - This is reason since he declined most film offers after 1998.

1. http://www.rediff.com/movies/slide-show/slide-show-1-facts-you-did-not-know-about-pran/20120416.htm#7 - needs to be used as reference for saying

• In the 1950s and 1960s, only Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand, Raj Kapoor and Rajendra Kumar were paid more than Pran.

See WP:NOTEVERYTHING and WP:TRIVIA. For instance then "smoke ring" point is pure trivia. We definitely don't need to put in numbers of films he was a villain in, or other things like that. Please rethink the list and focus on what is actually important to an encyclopedia article, not a fan site or a biographical book. Qwyrxian (talk) 17:16, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Good points by Qwyrxian, which were sadly disregarded completely in this edit. What's worse, the editor mentions, here, that the edit contains copyright violations (in the form of "modified" sentences, also known as close paraphrasing). --bonadea contributions talk 09:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

tagged career sections

I have removed the section tags. What we really need are tagged claims, not sections. There do arleady exist plenty of citations, and the linked movies in which he appeared are themselves primary sources, and as long as they are linked and he was credited in those films we do not need a tag for his appearance. μηδείς (talk) 19:35, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: no primary topic, so Pran (disambiguation) moved to Pran. The article on the company) had been moved to PRAN while this RM was open, which was naughty ... so feel free to open a new RM discussion for that page is editors feel that move is in appropriate. Whatever happens, some disambiguation of links is needed. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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• Pran (actor) → Pran
• Pran → Pran (company)

– The almost nine-year-old article about the actor Pran was moved (in apparent good faith) from Pran to Pran (actor) and a new article about the company Pran was created in its stead. As a result, more than 400 Wikipedia pages now have Wikilinks pertaining to the actor Pran pointing to the article about the company Pran. The company appears notable, but there is no consensus that it is the primary topic for this title; google searches for the name indicate that the actor should probably be considered the primary topic, both as regards usage and long-term significance. bonadea contributions talk 17:08, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

• RM not needed. Technical restore per WP:BRD. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/12/pran--krishan-sikand-dead-dies-indian-actor_n_3588820.html Also see no evidence that this company is notable. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
• Comment Pran (company) should redirect to Pran (disambiguation) as there's more than one company.
• Move company to Pran Foods per the infobox about the name of the article. The article Pran Cola redlinks another Pran, "Pran Group". -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 02:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Don't move' "Pran" refers to mainly the Bangladeshi food and beverage brand the products of which are found in more than 90 countries. I have also changed the wikilinks pertaining to the actor Pran and they are now showing the correct links. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akib.H (talk • contribs) 20:02, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment Akib.H moved the food processor to PRAN. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
• Support move per nominator's rationale. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:18, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose both. Instead move Pran (disambiguation) → Pran. There seems to be no primary topic. Andrewa (talk) 06:13, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

Pran is currently a redirect with no significant history, following a move of the company article to PRAN while this RM was open.

The first question is, does Pran have a primary meaning, and if so is it the actor or the company (or even something else)? The article now at PRAN has only one reference [1] but it establishes considerable notability, particularly of course in Bangladesh. The actor also has considerable notability, particularly in India. My conclusion is that there's no primary topic globally, but perhaps we should relist to discuss that.

Then the company article name needs to be considered in the light of the various policies and guidelines, but that's best done by a new RM if needed, once the primary topic issue is settled and in light of that decision. This RM is already complicated enough. Andrewa (talk) 06:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Is there a way to batch update the hundreds of links referring to the actor that now point to the dab page? (The claim that the links had been fixed is incorrect.) --bonadea contributions talk 21:41, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

@Bonadea: The closing admin User:BrownHairedGirl should probably have a solution to it as they think the actor is not the primary topic even when these hundreds of articles treat it such. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 18:53, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The lack of a primary topic was the consensus of the discussion, rather than my personal view.

I have already fixed the templates, and some of the links. Once the templates have purged, we can see what's left. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

It seems that someone has finished the job. Whatlinkshere is now clean. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:48, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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