Talk:Primitive reflexes

This entire article seems fishy

Virtually every single example listed, if it isn't straight-up invoking chiropractic (ffs) nonsense, appears to either contradict the definition given in the head of the article or invoke the "integration" concept in a weaselish manner that renders the inclusion vacuously tautological. It's littered with missing citations and where citations are given many share a single highly questionable source, if not some primitive jazz from the 1800s rather than contemporary corroborative research. Misuse of general terminology is also present. The individual articles where present similarly appear to be stubs with the same issues; this is all in serious need of review.

To be clear: there's no doubt these are all observable responses, it's the attachment to the article definition, supporting details and diagnostic import and relevance that are the issue. I'm not intimate with this field of study--perhaps it's all fruit of a poisoned tree--but in the broader scope of things there appears to be a severe lack of critical context. I'm sure there's some place for these (insofar as what is actually supportable) under relevant physio/kino/physio articles, but as it stands I can't tell whether this page has been essentially vandalised with the inclusion of niche pseudoscience or if the entire concept is bunk. 2405:6E00:31FC:B701:2178:C6C8:7853:1D36 (talk) 20:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Babies

Babies are born with brainstem-level (hence “Primitive”) reflexes to help support the birth process and survive their first few months outside the womb. These reflexes should disappear (integrate) into the developing nervous system during the first year of life, making way for postural reflexes and cognitive functions as the cortical brain develops. If the Primitive Reflexes don’t get integrated, they can interfere with structural, biochemical, psycho-emotional, and neurological development. They can also re-emerge or be “Regained” following neurological, biochemical, emotional, or physical trauma. We see this consistently with adult PTSD, environmental illness, post-stroke, and traumatic brain injury patients.

There are currently ten principal RPRs recognized and each can result in its own group of dysfunctions:

(Fear Paralysis Reflex) Parasympathetic ANS issues ie., anxiety, panic attacks, SIDS (Moro Reflex) Sympathetic ANS issues, ie, Aggression, ADHD, Asthma (Palmar Reflex) Verbal and written expression, fine motor skills, posture (Plantar Reflex) Anti-gravity ie., Balance, coordination, posture,locomotion, LD (Asymmetric Tonic Neck Reflex) Learning difficulties, misjudge distances, shoulder injuries (Tonic Labrynthine Reflexes - Lateral and Sagital) Motion sickness, LD, Balance and visual disturbances (Spinal Galant Reflex) Hyperactivity, Bedwetting, Scoliosis, Gait abnormalities (Rooting Reflex) Hormonal dysfunctions in the HPA axis, including thyroid (Juvenile Suck Reflex) Chewing, swallowing, speech, and articulation problems, (Ex: Annie was once holding a bagel in her mouth and could not refrain from the reflexive chewing of said bagel).

Chiropractic and osteopathic manipulative therapies including intra- and extra-oral cranial adjusting, fascial release techniques, sacral adjusting, and DeJarnette blocking have been found to be effective in facillitating the integration of RPRs in children and adults. For more information: http://www.akcsm.com/rpr.htm

The discussion of the plantar reflex is incorrect: A plantar reflex is a normal reflex that involves plantar flexion of the foot (toes move away from the shin, and curl down. An abnormal plantar reflex (aka Babinski Sign) occurs when upper motor neuron control over the flexion reflex circuit is interrupted. This results in a dorsiflexion of the foot (foot angles towards the shin, big toe curls up). This also occurs in babies under ~1 year, due to low myelination of the descending corticospinal tracts. As these tracts develop to adult form, the flexion-reflex circuit is inhibited by the descending cortiospinal inputs, and the normal plantar reflex develops. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.142.143.82 (talk) 19:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC) The discussion of the plantar reflex is correct when you take into account the context of the article. The plantar reflex that is being discussed is the retention of the infantile reflex and the associated problems that occur when it remains after it should be integrated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.106.105.235 (talk) 11:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

That baby had some shitty experience in the name of science. 201.233.32.181 (talk) 02:24, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

More specific title

Wouldn't this be better titled Primitive reflexes in humans or Primitive reflexes in human infants, or some such? - dcljr (talk) 22:09, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Perez reflex

The article looks detailed and well-researched, but the Perez reflex isn't mentioned. Was this an intentional exclusion, or a simple omission? BitterGrey (talk) 03:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Galant reflex

Image for the Galant reflex doesn't seem to have anything to do with the reflex, only the Galant part. Anybody knows what happened here? --188.179.205.177 (talk) 10:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

King's University College

Hi, I will be updating this article for my Developmental Psychology class Krowe24 (talk) 04:01, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I would like to make a few improvements to the article in the future:

1) Add new reference;

2) Improve the structure/content of the article;

3) Add a section to the article

noart.uh

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=amiel%20tison tsktsk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.86.135.18 (talk) 13:26, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

A Typo?

"The sucking reflex [...] simulates the way a child naturally eats."

Is "simulates" a typo instead of "stimulates"?

Stefan

"simulates" is correct, yes. Global Cerebral Ischemia (talk) 23:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

This article needs more videos

I've noticed that the grayscale images showing a baby performing the rooting, Moro, walking, ANTR, and Palmar grasp reflexes are blurry and low quality when resized. The videos of the Moro and Babkin reflexes are the only media that show the respectives reflexes. I have removed three images and replaced two as a result. Doctor Zoath (talk) 14:54, 23 July 2020 (UTC)