Talk:Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (film)

Don't delete

Please don't delete this give others a chance to make it great. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kazaan (talk • contribs) 23:03, May 20, 2008

WE NEED MORE INFO

We need a little bit more info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.78.16 (talk) 14:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

When I made this article and added a few details, I couldn't dream of how it's changed. Thank you!! You have made this so great. User:Kazaan —Preceding comment was added at 02:39, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

I propose that this article be moved to Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time (film) because the article has been created, and doesn't need to redirect anymore. Also, there is no other Prince of Persia film, and that page should be the home of this article. Therefore, I feel that there is no reason why this article should remain here, when that page title is available.--EclipseSSD (talk) 11:14, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

• Support. →Christian.И 16:28, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Production

Since The Hollywood Reporter says that production is set to begin in July, I'd like to invoke WP:IAR for the notability guidelines for future films. Since July is on the horizon, it seems like unnecessary shifting of content. However, if production for whatever reason experiences a delay in starting, the content of this article should be revised and merged elsewhere. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:24, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

wtf?

Dastan means story. does it have a second meaning as "trickster"? or is the information just wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.212.33.117 (talk) 04:46, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Yeah you are right, Dastan means story and I don't get it either! I've check the link and apparently he did say that so its obvious that he hasn't done his research! well..As long as the film is good it doesn't really matter :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.67.237 (talk) 11:52, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

it does mean story, interesting though, most prince of persia stories circulate in 10th century to 16th century Persia downing mostly islamic influence, this story on the other hand is pre-islamic iran if we are to follow the 6th century statement, a sassanid or sassanian prince. --ParthianPrince (talk) 13:41, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Dāstān (long vowels) does mean story in Persian (not trickster though) - however, the name of the Prince presumably is from Dastān (first vowel short), which is an epithet of the Persian epic hero Zāl, the father of Rostam. Of course, names like Nizām are of Arabic origin, so it's a bit anachronistic for a Sasanian nobleman. But as the above commentor said, it doesn't really matter. 74.129.24.236 (talk) 03:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Dastan is one of the greatest persian Champion no one could beat him...!(told from a persian man)

Maybe it is dastan you know, like rostam-e dastan. Apparently zal (rostam's father) did trick other heroes sometimes (like the story of rostam and esfandiar) and gained the nickname dastan. Then again, the whole movie is based on fiction rather than persian myhtology or history. And I should add, how did a sheikh or somebody with the name "Nizam" live in the 6th century persia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.183.118.204 (talk) 19:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Contradiction

In the production section, it says that the writer left out elements of the second two video games. However, the lead states (and the trailer shows) that elements are included. Ωphois 00:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

LEGO

Can we have mentioned in the marketing section about the LEGO sets based on the movie that will be released? --Victory93 (talk) 06:47, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Differences Deleted

I just have deleted the "Differences" from the page. Not because it has none difference, but because it simply was stated "Differences from the games", without anything more added, so I just deleted that stub.

Sassanid Empire ?

I havnt seen the movie yet but games story happens a lot before Sassanid Empire and its even before Achaemenid Empire. WikiBahal (talk) 21:18, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

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So, the movie supposedly takes place in the 6th century, meaning that the current empire would be the Sassanian, but I think the film steals ideas from the reign of the Seljuqs, a Turkish empire. I think the film is loosely based on an 11th century event which had Turks as the protagonists, but is masquerading as an old Persian story.

Here's why I think this: the name of Nizam, the villain and vizier to the king, was likely taken from Nizam al-Mulk, the famous Seljuq vizier. As far as I know, a Persian would never be called Nizam, an Arabic name, before the invading Muslim armies put Persians into closer contact with Arab culture. This happened in the 7th century. The Assassins (called something like hassassanin in the film), which play a major role in the film didn't exist until well after the 6th century, since they are the English equivalent of the Persian word for the Nizaris, a Shi'i sect that split off from the Fatimids.

According to Wikipedia, the walls of Alamut were famously breached by the Nizaris (assassins, hashshashin, etc.) in 1090 during the vizierate of Nizam al-Mulk.

Clearly the story was not intended to be historically accurate nor indeed even plausible (there's a freaking dagger that can turn back time), but it's interesting to speculate where the writers of the film got their ideas. 99.63.188.217 (talk) 03:20, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Reception

Just a couple of minor issues with the reception section. I started it so I thought my initial layout was pretty good. Thanks for the additional info for some users. My only issues is some of the layout so I corrected that. Also please don't say Rotten Tomatoes 'currently reports as currently is a relative term, it could refer to any time. Benatfleshofthestars —Preceding undated comment added 07:37, 28 May 2010 (UTC).

Prince's Mentor?

The article says "Alfred Molina was to portray a character named Sheik Amar, who becomes a mentor to the prince."

I think this is plain wrong. Amar is a reluctant ally, but nothing of a mentor to the Prince. If anything, the Prince is a mentor to Amar.76.123.241.114 (talk) 09:43, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Please revert

Someone has vandalised this page. Can't find the revert button. Please revert. Rimi talk contribs 06:59, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hashshashins

The movie has 'Hassanshins' (sic) Rimi talk contribs 07:02, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it was Hassansins.

Most people accept that the word "assassin" comes from the word "hashish". However, there's a (dubious) alternate theory that it comes from the name of the order's founder (Hassan al-Sabah) and the film-makers seem to have gone with that instead. I did wonder if this was to distance a family film from drug use (also interesting that they didn't say explicitly that the package brought by Nizam was hashish).

Anyway, that's just my own "original research". But if the film-makers want their assassins to be called Hassansins, then it's not for Wikipedia to wonder why or correct their spelling. The assassins in the fictional world of Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time are explicitly called Hassansins, and I think the synopsis should be changed to reflect that :o) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Señor Service (talk • contribs) 13:51, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I noticed the same and was about to change all spellings of "Hassansin" in this article to the historically correct Hashshashin. Are you certain that the movie's creators actually refer to these characters as "Hassansins"? Perhaps a link to support this would be appropriate. I did a brief search and did not see anything directly form Disney using the word "hassansin". I found plenty of other references to hassansin but, of course, they could all have originated form this wikipedia article!Gorvius (talk) 07:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

After showing courage in the market place ?(what courage and for what ?)

I have not seen the movie yet what courage and for what ? any fight happened or did he save kings life ? I think it needs more explain --WikiBahal (talk) 15:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

White washing?

Why is there no article on all the controversy in the media of all the white washing of the characters?(98.160.104.43 (talk) 03:06, 1 June 2010 (UTC))(Curefreak (talk) 03:07, 1 June 2010 (UTC))

White washing? From what I can tell only one critic (Jehanzeb Dar - seems to be a nobody and not a very smart one neither) claimed that it is not okay, that a caucasian actor is playing an ethnic character (and he even abused the expression "white washing"). This guy apparently has no idea about the Persian empire. If he had done any research on this topic he would've found out, that the prince from the movie most likely reflects what a Persian noble man would have looked like. This gets especially clear once you check the ethnical nature of the Persian empire as well as the genetic history of the Aryans (Indians from the higher castes were and to date are genetically closer to Eastern Europeans than to lower caste Indians - so just imagine what this could mean for Persian nobles). PLUS: The prince in the video game already had blue eyes and THAT decision had NOTHING to do with popularity among the viewers. It was a logical design question. They decided to make him look like this (rather pale, black hair, blue eyed) because that is as historically correct as you can get! Sure, that depends on the century but neither the games nor the films is based in certain period, so there is NO WAY to criticise the way the prince looks in both games and film. And if that isn't enough: You're writing about "all the controvery" and "white washing of the characters" - most characters (especially all important roles) in the movie work perfectly as oriental people as we know them today and the media coverage on this topic wasn't that big so please - at least stick to the facts. --F4LL0UT (talk) 02:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Historical Persian phenotype was either of the swarthier, mediterranean type, or lighter types more common in the north. Due to climate , selection, and to a lesser extent admixture, the modern types are mostly of the former - thought in the north and other places, lighter types exist. A similar phenomena happened in greece and italy, with lighter ('nordic') types being displaced over time. There is no white-washing. Modern Persians are Caucasoids, as they were 3500 years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.1.146.100 (talk) 22:30, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

By your logic, Indians would be Caucasoids too.76.187.211.251 (talk) 22:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

Northern Hindus are also Caucasians, as are all Semites (Arabs, Berbers and Jews) and other Middle Eastern people. Before writing something like that, read who belongs to the Caucasian race. HernánCortés1518 (talk) 12:38, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Heavily based on the game?

Uhm, who wrote that the film is heavily based on the game? I'd say that this just isn't true - it is loosely based on it. Except for the presemce of the dagger of time the scenario from the movie has practically nothing in common with the game. The main plot is different, all key characaters have other features and meanings (and there even are totally different key characters), the heroes' and the villains' tasks/motivations are different, there is not a single fantastic creature in the film etc.. I don't think you can call this "heavily based on the game". If it wasn't for the prince's armor and the dagger I would probably even claim that the film doesn't deserve to be officially part of the franchise. --F4LL0UT (talk) 02:08, 5 June 2010 (UTC) Its based on the the main character so its heavily based on the game. Dont worry about saying sorry we all know you mean it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.44.41.189 (talk) 19:03, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Just because it shares the main character means nothing about it being heavily based on the game! F4LL0UT is right! The only thing I disagree on is it not being part of the franchise. It's more of a spin-off in my opinion. But really, because it shares the same main character it's heavily based? I guess you could say that any sequel that may take thousands of years in the future and doesn't even reference the first one in anyway or form and is nothing LIKE the first one at all but shares the main character, that's it, you'd say that it's HEAVILY based on the original? I'd say it is indeed BASED on the original, just not HEAVILY. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.162.236.70 (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Had to use British accent?

According to this report http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/jake-gyllenhaal-comments-his-british-accent-%E2%80%98prince-persia%E2%80%99-05-21-2010 he had to fake a British accent in order to play Dastan, i believe that should be pointed out. ChesterTheWorm (talk) 10:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC) ChesterTheWorm

Hate to be Mr. Obvious here, but isn't common practice in fantasy films for everybody, regardless of their birth-place or actual accent, to fake a British accent? Only in the event that a character is specifically intended to be comical or self-aware do they indulge in other accents, like standard American. Maybe it's just that a British accent sounds more archaic and/or mythical. -TheHande (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Sequel or no?

Has they confirm this movie got sequel or no? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.50.17.219 (talk) 16:31, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

New stuff goes at the bottom. This article gets enough attention that if a sequel had been confimed, there would be something here with a reliable source. This is not the case, right now. This does not mean that there will not be a sequel, just that they haven't said they have. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Video game based film error?

In the Reception section of the article it is stated that Prince of Persia: Sands of Time is has the third highest opening for a video game based movie following Tomb Raider and Pokemon. But, the Pokemon movie wasn't based on the game. As far as I understand it's based on the television series which is what the first couple of games were based on? Leeor net (talk) 17:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Tie in books and novels

The marketing section mentions a few of the tie in merchandise but doesnt mention all of the book and novels. I dont know how notable, so the amount of mention would depend on that, but heres a list derived from Fantastic Fiction:

• Prince of Persia Movie Storybook by Jordan Mechner and James Ponti
• The Chronicle of Young Dastan by Cathy Hapka
• Prince of Persia: Beneath The Sands of Time by Calliope Glass
• To Right a Wrong (Its Your Call) by Carla Jablonski
• Guardian's Path (Its Your Call) by Carla Jablonski
• The Search for Cyra by Cathy Hapka

also listed at Amazon are:

• We Make Our Own Destiny: Behind the Scenes of Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time by Michael Singer
• Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time: The Visual Guide

Also the Lego sets are mentioned but the article doesnt seem to link directly to the Lego Prince of Persia article. Salavat (talk) 17:26, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Its seems only one person seem to suit his role perfectly. Others don't look the part features wise. This should of been a smash hit if actors and actoresses were chosen wisely getting actors who look closest to the part. All of them should have Persian type look which out of all the actors only one (Ben Kingsley) has. Disney should of searched all over the world for actors looking the part as it is only a very small task for Disney today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.120.153 (talk) 11:11, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

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Does this take place before or after the invasion of Alexander?

Also, does this take place before or after the Persian invasion of Assyria, Egypt, and India?76.187.211.251 (talk) 22:27, 19 November 2018 (UTC)