Talk:Princess Estelle, Duchess of Östergötland

"Eriksson", "Andersson" and "Westling"

Will the name "Westling" figure in any way in her official names and/or titles? СЛУЖБА (talk) 13:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Likely not. There was some argument over the name laws of Sweden but the new princess' mother, grandparents and other relations do not even have a surname. Hopefully she will be registered as not having a surname. 99.246.103.2 (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Her father changed his surname to Bernadotte when he married the crown princess. He now has Westling as a mellannamn, a form of middle name which must be born just before a surname and is considered a given name, not a surname. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

PS Of course, genealogically Estelle belongs to the Westling family, but dynastically can be considered a Bernadotte. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I guess we're even less likely to see "Andersson"? СЛУЖБА (talk) 11:29, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, yes. I'd love it myself. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:07, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

-Well; there's been no official pronouncement on what house she belongs to; so we should leave it until she does. In royal houses, you (normally) belong to the house of your father, regardless of what his origins are or were. Case in point: Edward VII was a member of the House of Wettin, because his father, Prince Albert was; even though his mother, Queen Victoria greatly outranked his fsther both by birth and by rank. So no; it doesn't follow that Estelle 'dynastically can be considered a Bernadotte.' It may be more obvious when she is assigned arms: Prince Daniel's arms have an inescutcheon that is not the Bernadotte inescutcheon, whilst Crown Princess Victoria has. If Estelle uses her father's inescutcheon or uses her mother and father's inescutcheons divided per pale, it may be clearer. Also; SergeWoodzing; do you have a source regarding Prince Daniel changing his surname from Westling to Bernadotte?92.3.143.240 (talk) 01:28, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, as given in his Swedish article. I have updated it here too now. SergeWoodzing (talk) 13:10, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done but not until just now, sorry! T'was the father's article I fixed earlier. SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

In fact she's not a member of Bernadotte dynasty. When she will become a Queen she will found the Westling dynasty - descendants of peasants. But we must note that House of Bernadote has similar origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.205.247.165 (talk) 17:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

If we're going to indulge in fantasy, why not say that she's going to found the Andersson dynasty? NHB38 (talk) 21:22, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps I've missed something here, but where do Andersson and Eriksson fit in to this topic, aside from being generic working class names? Danielsson would at least make "some" sense... 49.225.52.202 (talk) 19:47, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Full title

There is a formal difference between a Princess of Sweden (like Estelle) and a Princess [Name] (like Princess Christina, Mrs. Magnuson). It is not incorrect to refer to Estelle as "Princess Estelle", but in the section Titles and styles her full title according to the Court Directory should be used: Her Royal Highness Estelle, Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Östergötland. /Elzo 90 (talk) 19:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

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Firsts

The article contains the following paragraph with regards to her birth:

"Princess Estelle is second in the line of succession to the Swedish throne and the first female in Swedish history to be born with a right to inherit the crown that cannot be superseded by the birth of a male heir, as well as the first person in Swedish history to be born of a female heir apparent. The only two princesses of Sweden to be born first in line for the throne were heir presumptive at their birth: Christina (who eventually became queen regnant) and Hedwig Sophia (who was superseded by a younger brother)."

But what about Estelle's own mother Victoria then? She is heir apparent and appears not to have been superseded by her younger brother? The last sentence of the paragraph especially doesn't make sense to me. Victoria was also born first in line to the throne and Estelle actually wasn't. Estelle was born second in line following her own mother. Tvx1 23:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Victoria was heir preumptive when she was born, and she was superseded by Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Värmland when he was born in 1979. The law of succession was changed in 1980, which made Victoria the heir apparent instead. --Marbe166 (talk) 06:58, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Still, she was born first in line of succession. Tvx1 10:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, as heir presumptive. But I agree, she should be included in the examples alongside Christina and Hedvig Sofia. --Marbe166 (talk) 17:11, 13 May 2023 (UTC)