Talk:Production logo

Some thoughts

• "Closing" logos are pretty specific to television, and "opening" logos on movies serve much the same purpose, so I wonder if there should be one page for both. Production logo perhaps? Done
• A history of opening/closing logos would be good. Most of the early history would be shared with logo, but this article would cover Hollywood's take on the subject. Done
• Finally, keep in mind that Wikipedia keeps to a neutral point of view. On this particular subject, there's lots of cases where the scariest logo someone's ever seen won't bother someone else, and vice versa, so it'd be good to couch this in some sort of consensus. Also, write clearly and refrain from using CLGisms unless you explain them -- remember that this is here for the whole Internet to see, not just the CLG or its spinoffs. See Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles for more on Wikipedia's writing style.

-lee 23:49, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) (wakkymse on CLG)

• Why does 'Vanity Card' redirect here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.31.102 (talk) 21:08, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Warner Bros.

Is there any reason why warner brothers are not listed on list of major closing logos? Warner brothers uses both an opening logo and a closing logo on all of its films too. Borb 15:06, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Added it finally. --Seishirou Sakurazuka 00:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Company list

Is there any real reason to list companies with logos? It's not as though they are all that uncommon. tregoweth 16:01, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

I could see there being a list of studios with particularly notable (or notorious, for that matter) logos, though I don't quite know where it would fit inside this article. I have noticed that most of the studios' own pages have had discussion about their particular logos on them, but beyond that I'm not sure (for one thing, how to define "notable" is fuzzy in this case). -lee 17:34, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Boo!

Logos of the era made heavy use of abstract art motifs and music generated by analog synthesizers, creating an unfamiliar look and sound that, while modern, was bombastic and often scared children.

Are there any reliable, non-original sources for this? My sense is that children this delicate probably shouldn't be allowed around movies and television at all. —phh 17:14, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Most examples will be anecdotal for sure, but that doesn't mean that logophobia doesn't exist... or that the people who fear these logos are unbalanced. Trust me, when you're three years old, with your face pressed against the television screen because your parents don't have a remote control, it's likely that you're going to have mental scars when obnoxious music blares from the set and a big logo leaps out at you.

People grow up to be afraid of all kinds of crazy stuff- clowns, Santa Claus, dogs- because their sudden movements and loud noises were perceived as threats at a very early age. -M.Neko

• Logophobia is a very real threat to American society. I am scared to DEATH of the Renaissance Pictures logo at the end of Xena, and the Klasky-Csupo logo with that weird face. Both are tied IMO as the scariest production logos of all time. Those '60s and '70s logos don't even come close. WizardDuck 19:26, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

• • The only real sources for "logophobia" are Internet postings, nothing that's an acceptable source for an article. —tregoweth (talk) 20:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

And seriously, who really wants to be scared of a logo that was really created by graphic designers? Two words, GROW UP.

This is about an article, not logophobia people... Keenrich 04:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

• Hey, guy above Keenrich who's not Tregoweth, it's OK to be scared of these things. It dosen't mean we're immature. I concur with M.Neko. Let's say, here, ohhh, this kid David. He's afraid of recliners. Why? Because when he was little, the footrest came up with NO WARNING and hit him in the face. Same with logos. You don't know what's gonna be in them, or when they'll come on. We all grow up scared of something. WizardDuck 04:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• • Checking through the history, everything from "And seriously..." to "not logophobia people" is by Keenrich; the formatting just came out weird. —tregoweth (talk) 04:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

• • I'm disappointed that the part about logos scaring children was taken out of the article. They are a major part of logos' impact on pop culture. I don't know about them being "a real threat to American society," but logophobia has been reported by enough people to be acknowledged by a Wikipedia entry. Besides, the S From Hell still creeps me out. 24.3.56.102 03:31, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
    • It still counts as original research and/or unverifiable, though, unless we can get cites from reliable sources. Has anyone ever covered this in the mainstream media, or is it just too strange? -lee 18:32, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
      • We should be able to mention that there exists a community of logo aficionados on the net, and that they have nicknames for the logos like "S from Hell". What we can't do is say things like "often scared children" because that's just an assumption. My take on it, is that the kids who were startled by logos when they were small, grew up to be interested in production logos. Self-selection bias. Squidfryerchef 12:38, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Recreate this article

What happened? I see that a long time ago that this article had a long description. now people are messing it up, especially when people are talking about some club I left a long time ago.

Keenrich 04:17, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Paramount Logo

There are some good sites out there with some detailed chronologies, specifically this one about Paramount. The information is there, but this article really lacks in that respect.

John Pouliot 12:44, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I checked the link just now, and it's broken. Also, this article isn't about the histories of individual logos, it's more about how the production logo developed over time, or at least that's what I had in mind for it back in 2005. -lee 18:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

The information given at the "History" section does not cite its sources at all. It might be copied from somewhere else. Therefore I think that this article must be re-written and the sources must be cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by T-9000 (talk • contribs) 11:36, 31 March 2007 (UTC).

I originally wrote the bulk of the History section myself, especially for Wikipedia. If there's another site using the same text, it's most likely a mirror of this page. That said, it could use some cleaning up. -lee 18:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Music

Does anybody know about who writes the music for the logos?

The composers I know are Alfred Newman (The 20th Century Fox fanfare), Jerry Goldsmith (The Universal Studios current logo) and Thomas Newman (the Imagine logo). It would be interesting if someone could mention more composers in the article. Thanks--Surten (talk) 05:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Surten

Oh, and the music from the Warner Bros. logo is "As Time Goes By", though I'm pretty sure you knew that.--Surten (talk) 05:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Surten

The Simpsons Movie: Logo variant

When I saw the trailer for The Simpsons Movie, I saw that the 20th Century Fox logo at the beginning of the trailer had the "0" replaced by a donut with pink frosting. Shouldn't we add a reference to it? Sean90 13:11, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

No; this is an article about logos, not a listing of them. —tregoweth (talk) 02:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixing things up

• We really, really need some cites for the things mentioned in the History section; they're all factual, but they're also incomplete, and I'm not sure what books would have the information. Perhaps it's time to recruit an expert? (in the meantime, I'm considering just removing the section until we have enough references to do a rewrite. Better a stub than the mess that's there now.)
• Speaking of which, this article is within the scope of at least Wikipedia:WikiProject Filmmaking and Wikipedia:WikiProject Visual arts. Other suggestions would be great. -lee 21:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Does this include things like the DTS logo?

These days whenever I go to see a movie in a theater there's always multiple logos for multiple companies. There's usually one for the theater, one for the sound system, maybe one for the projection technology, a couple for the production companies, and then one for the movie studio. Are all of these considered "production logos?" Is there a name for the whole set ("opening production credits" or something like that)? --76.123.176.14 (talk) 21:33, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Futurama

Doesn't Futurama use a 30th Century Fox variation? That should probably be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammi.mcclain (talk • contribs) 03:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Movie about the "S from Hell" in Sundance?

Apparently someone made a short film about the old Screen Gems logo, concentrating on phobias about it, and it got into the Sundance Film Festival. It's called "The S from Hell"(!) and is showcasing on Youtube for a limited time. I wonder if this counts towards secondary-source attention to the phenomenon. Squidfryerchef (talk) 23:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

More sources: http://www.ifc.com/blogs/indie-eye/2009/12/logophobia.php , http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/william-bostwick/architecture-design/logo-hell-graphic-design-gone-bad Squidfryerchef (talk) 14:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Logos on video format

Hey, does what this article discuss include motion logos for home video distributors appearing on video releases of sorts? Sean Michael (Seaners 2010) (talk) 16:56, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Suspected logo recreation

Excuse me, but the following image in this article: Image:PBS 1971 id.svg (PBS logo seen at the end of its programs from 1971 to 1984)) Happens to look like it was a recreation using some photo editing software. Should we be concerned? Sean Michael (Seaners 2010) (talk) 16:59, 24 January 2011 (UTC)