Talk:Puketāpapa

Additional source

Additional information can be added to the article from here: Fox, Aileen (1979). "The Pa on Mount Roskill, Auckland (N42/11): Dating Evidence from the 1961 Excavations". Records of the Auckland Institute and Museum. 16: 45–61. ISSN 0067-0464. JSTOR 42906274. Wikidata Q58677096.. --Prosperosity (talk) 23:12, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 17 September 2024

Puketāpapa → Mount Roskill (mountain) – More common name Traumnovelle (talk) 20:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC) See scholar results for example: [1] with many not being about the mountain with searching for "Mt Roskill" and 'geology' to help filter out results about the town/suburb adding up to 200 [2] [3]. Most searches are for Mt Roskill instead of Puketapapa: [4]

Oppose That is in no way supported by published sources - you need to check and validate each one instead of doing a wide scholar/news search, because of results coming up for Mt Roskill the suburb and Puketapapa the local board. I've tried to find as many explicit media sources (reports, published books, journal articles, news articles, etc., excluding theses and Auckland Council / Tupuna Maunga documents) that make explicit mention of the maunga. There's a clear trend away from Mount Roskill, and towards a dual name, Puketāpapa / Mount Roskill.

• 2009-2012
  • Mt Roskill: 10 [5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]
  • Mt Roskill / Puketapapa (or a variation): 3 [15][16][17]
  • Puketapapa / Pukeiti (or a variation): 2 [18][19]
• 2013-2017
  • Mt Roskill: 5 [20][21][22][23][24][25][26]
  • Puketapapa / Mt Roskill (or a variation): 5 [27][28][29][30][31]
  • Puketapapa / Pukeiti (or a variation): 2 [32][33]
  • Pukewiwi / Puketapapa / Mt Roskill (or a variation): 1 [34]
• 2018-2024
  • Mt Roskill: 4 [35][36][37][38]
  • Puketapapa: 4 [39][40][41][42]
  • Puketapapa / Mt Roskill (or a variation): 11 [43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53]
  • Puketapapa / Pukewiwi / Mt Roskill: 1 [54]

Prosperosity (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Link 41 is invalid and 42 uses both names interchangeably. I dislike dual names due to naturalness and concision but I'd prefer a dual name over this because it'd be more recognisable to most people. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:45, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose based on Prosperosity's good analysis. I especially appreciate the assessment over time, showing that there is a move away from English names towards using te reo. That phenomenon mirrors my experience from the proposal to add macrons to New Zealand naming conventions; the same trend towards macron usage reflects the change in societal use. Schwede66 09:41, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It's only 109m high, so mountain doesn't seem an appropriate name. The suburb is Mount Roskill, so Puketāpapa distinguishes them. Johnragla (talk) 09:43, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Per the very-well researched source analysis by Prosperosity. It's also a very suitable case of natural disambiguation. AusLondonder (talk) 14:09, 18 September 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Suggest title does not seem to support WP:COMMONNAME. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 17:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per the very convincing sources above and the fact that the proposed title unnecessarily introduces disambiguation when there's a much better (and more common) name where that isn't required. Turnagra (talk) 10:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)