Talk:Röya

Fighting for 2

Is this the same Roya (@TheOfficialRoya on Twitter) who released the song "Fighting for 2" with Maître Gims in 2016? [1] Otherwise we need a disambiguation page. Nicole Sharp (talk) 08:38, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

No its another Roya SaHiB.SHaKHaYeV (talk) 09:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 15 August 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:37, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

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Röya (singer) → Roya (Azerbaijani singer) – "Röya" in azerbaijani, in english must be "Roya" SaHiB.SHaKHaYeV (talk) 15:10, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

All the sources in the article spell it Röya, and per WP:DIACRITICS, it is okay to use non-English characters if that is the common usage. Please provide reliable sources that Roya in the Engligh common name. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 21:26, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

• Keep correct spelling, but move to Röya (Azerbaijani singer) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:49, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose move to "Roya (Azerbaijani singer)". Ideally the article would be titled "Röya". A hatnote to the disambiguation page Roya (given name) would be helpful. Tammbeck (talk) 20:38, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Please provide evidence that all English sources consistently use the Azerbaijani diaresis/umlaut. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:12, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:DIACRITICS, it is the "general usage" in English language sources which applies. Here are some examples: [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. In any case, you have also proposed using the "umlaut" so why are you asking me to justify it? Tammbeck (talk) 08:36, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

• Do not move. The current tile matches the sources, and the country disamibiguator is not necessary. UnitedStatesian (talk) 13:22, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

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Page Renamed

The page has been renamed to "Roya (Azerbaijani singer)". I understand that it is necessary to be based on sources and non-English words are allowed. But you must understand that the sources indicated on the article are Azerbaijani and the artist himself acts on the territory of Azerbaijan. Therefore, take advantage of "Röya". But that does not mean right. So if you search Google for the query "Roya singer". Then Google will give you an absurdity. You will see the "Roya Azerbaijani singer" knowledge bar But the albums will not be Azerbaijan albums, but the video may be "Roya - Lie" which does not belong to this artist. The thing is that there are several Roya Persian singer Roya; Swedish Roya; Roya band

Google searches for "Roya" sees several options including ours. But so ours is known on spotify as "Röya". Google refuses to take the correct data. As a result, it shows that we have Roya but she releases Persian albums and represents Sweden. ))) And you are trying not to be searched like Roya. But this does not benefit and confuses the situation even more. The fact is the singer was originally known as Roya, her songs were signed by this name. Changing to "Röya" we created bewilderment both among users and for artificial intelligence. In addition, this is an English Wikipedia for English-speaking users. Logically, everything should be in English. People will not understand this letter "ö" SaHiB.SHaKHaYeV (talk) 19:50, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello SaHiB.SHaKHaYeV. Your 16 January move has been undone, since it went against the verdict of the last move discussion (see above). The article name has been changed back to Röya (singer). Arguments such as 'People will not understand the letter "ö" ' are not persuasive here because we *do* use diacritics in people's names if we are convinced that the WP:COMMONNAME in English uses the diacritic. Note that there is still a redirect at Roya (Azerbaijani singer) which points here, so people searching for 'Roya' will be led to the right place. There is also a page at Roya which explains the different people of that name. EdJohnston (talk) 06:30, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 17 January 2020

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The result of the move request was: moved (non-admin closure) NNADIGOODLUCK (Talk|Contribs) 13:29, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

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Röya (singer) → Röya – Disambiguation is unnecessary since no other person is named "Röya" with the umlaut. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 15:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. ToThAc (talk) 00:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 16:28, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support move to Röya - no disambiguation needed. Tammbeck (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per English sources Irrespective of how her name is written correctly, the issue is whether English sources consistently and uniquely retain the diaresis. news.az "The event continued with performances by singers Murad Arif, Roya, Miri Yusif and others." does not. The only news search results for Roya Aykhan likewise do not. So in this case yes disambiguation is absolutely necessary after checking GNews sources since the singer is not know as Röya in those news sources. Very surprised that neither proposer nor supporters checked with GNews. @Ortizesp and Tammbeck: can you provide any evidence of English news sources which give the name as Röya? In ictu oculi (talk) 10:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

  It looks like they don't use diacritics at all; https://news.az/articles/sports/144792 doesn't use them for Luka Jović and Atlético Madrid so should the articles be renamed? Peter James (talk) 14:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support. Hyperbolick (talk) 19:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Three "Support" but no evidence whatsoever that English sources consistently and uniquely retain the diaresis, and not even a response from those pinged to request evidence. I fear that a non-admin page closer is going to turn up and this is going to go the way of a vote rather than source-based application of titling policies... In ictu oculi (talk) 08:41, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per In ictu oculi. Also, Röya (singer) is not a uniquely-named personality as exemplified by the redirect Beyonce flowing to Beyoncé. In the case at hand, it is evident that Roya does not redirect to Röya (singer), but to the Roya disambiguation page, while it is Roya (singer) that redirects to Röya (singer). If there were one or more singers named Roya, such as in the case of the currently-discussed Melody (singer), then, according to this nomination, Wikipedia would feature the confusing differentiation between the main header for this Röya and another singer with the main header Roya (singer), instead of the much clearer and more helpful Röya (Azerbaijani singer) as well as Roya (another nation's singer). On English Wikipedia, main title headers are not differentiated solely by accents or diacritics, thus the separate disambiguation pages for Ivan Šarić and Ivan Saric, which coexisted for more than a year, were ultimately merged. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

  Ivan Saric was about the fact that we don't generally have DAB pages with similar terms per WP:DABCOMBINE but WP:SMALLDETAILS provides terms can point to different places even if their similar. Maybe this should be moved to Roya (singer) but the point is that "Röya" is unambiguous so even if moved the base title with the diacritic should be a redirect to the singer but such a move probably isn't needed anyway per WP:NATURAL. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:03, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

  We don't have any other redirects starting with "Röya", and the other pages on Roya (disambiguation) don't mention it - if there are other uses they should be added. Also diacritics are used for disambiguation, and ambiguity of one possible article title doesn't make all others ambiguous. Peter James (talk) 14:14, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support as proposed since there are no other subjects listed on Roya that use the "ö". Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@Steel1943: neither does this in English sources... In ictu oculi (talk) 08:35, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Support as noted this is the only usage with the umlaut. Anyone adding the umlaut can be assumed to be looking for this topic (but that isn't the case the other way round though see Talk:George Puscas (sports writer)#Requested move 1 December 2019). Rum/Rùm. Beyonce is the reverse since the title without diacritics redirects to the one with. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:57, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
• Support. It doesn't seem particularly relevant whether English sources sometimes call her "Roya" or not, as long as she's the only target for the umlaut form "Röya". The point IIO makes would only be relevant if "Roya" was actually her WP:COMMONNAME in English, with higher usage than "Röya", and I don't think it is.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:25, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

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