Talk:Raúl (footballer)

NPOV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Honestly, this article is a mess and it's clearly written as a fanatic article rather than a encyclopedic one. Also, the wording and grammar are horrible and need to be fixed...I'll try to help fix and hope that more people may do as well. Udonkome (talk) 03:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

The angel of Madrid?

I'm spaniard, a Real supporter, and I've never heard o readed such nickname. --Ignacio Egea 12:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

As many other i to consi Morientes to be a great attacker and as them i hope that he and Raùl are (still) friends despide them playing for different clubs in La liga. But i can not see why i or enyone else should read about there friendship (or lack of same) in this article.

First, this is not the place to debate about this. Here we have to debate about the article itself, how it is presented, if the info it contains is correct and so on. Raystorm, May 15 2006, 23:21h

Who edited the appearances/goals part? I don't think it's very correct, since a football magazine of like two months ago says he scored 180 goals, and I doubt he scored 82 goals in such a short time. Maybe the magazine was incorrect, but could someone at least explain this to me? Were it only league goals, or what? Oh, and on a sidenote, Torres is probably one of the most overrated players of the moment, and certainly not better than Raúl. Now I'll follow Raystorm's advice as well. ;) - DraugenCP, October 2 2006, 0:01h.

I've changed the stats back to correct several times but someone allways change the to wrong, as of 3 October 2006 he has played 416 games and scored 181 goals acording to lfp.es witch provide stats direct from the referees.

Players scoring in three world cups

The record amount of players who have scored in their third world cup during the current tournament, plus the count by ESPN which I find inaccurate, plus the recent edits in this article saying he was the 4th ever to do it, then the 8th, etc. lead me to enter my list here; according to this list, he is the 18th player to score in 3 World cups. I hope someone can comment on this, on whether this is an agreeable list, or correct any errors. Thanks in advance. ChaChaFut 02:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Players who have scored in at least three world cups
(First 14 not necessarily in exact order)

1. Pelé 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970
2. Uwe Seeler 1958, 1962, 1966, 1970
3. Grzegorz Lato 1974, 1978, 1982
4. Andrzej Szarmach 1974, 1978, 1982
5. Joe Jordan 1974, 1978, 1982
6. Dominique Rocheteau 1978, 1982, 1986
7. Michel Platini 1978, 1982, 1986
8. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge 1978, 1982, 1986
9. Julio Salinas 1986, 1990, 1994
10. Diego Maradona 1982, 1986, 1994
11. Rudi Völler 1986, 1990, 1994
12. Lothar Matthäus 1986, 1990, 1994
13. Roberto Baggio 1990, 1994, 1998
14. Jürgen Klinsmann 1990, 1994, 1998
15. Gabriel Batistuta 1994, 1998, 2002
16. Fernando Hierro 1994, 1998, 2002
17. Sami Al-Jaber 1998, 2002, 2006
18. Raúl González 1998, 2002, 2006
19. Henrik Larsson 1994, 2002, 2006
20. Ronaldo 1998, 2002, 2006
21. David Beckham 1998, 2002, 2006

"Raul"

the article previous is more than perfect ..i think it is alittle short ...cause "raul" is the best player in the world ..in my opinoion .. and any one says raul is not among the greatest players ever been is a fool....and doesnt understand football...he my have been seen 2 or3 matches of raul and he seems saw 2 or 3 matchs in his whole life....u cant compare torres of raul...i admit that torrs is talented young player but raul..........what can i say .they dont worth respond . and b.s "forlan" is not spanish...and u cant just mention his name beside raul.. raul is the best striker in the world..his talent....his manners ...his leadership of the team ...his love for real madrid,, deserves to be the "seven" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 196.202.89.51 (talk) 15:20, 9 April 2007 (UTC).

Raúl's scoring stats from the youth teams

In the early 90's, I believe Marca had printed Raúl's youth stats from San Cristobal through Real Madrid as well as his international youth career. I haven't been able to a copy. Is there anyone that has the info? Raul17 22:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

raul really is a great player and i think real madrid shouldn`t let him go because he is the symbol of the team. also, he has done so much for real madrid that i say he should end his career in madrid.

According to this article: http://www.record.xl.pt/Futebol/Internacional/real_madrid/interior.aspx?content_id=804163 Raul has scored 323 goals for Real Madrid, which does not coincide with the actual number os goals described in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.244.126.64 (talk) 00:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Raul Madrid

If my information is right Raul scored those 194 goals only in Spanish League. Playing for Real he scored much more(also in Champions' League, Spanish Cup,...). Raul of coarse is one of the best players in the world and currently the best in my opinion. Today by saying Real Madridthe first that comes to your mind is RAUL. No one can compare to him by his dedication on the pitch, by his conception of the game and thinking. After Zidane's left he is definitly the best in the world. I hope he will never leave the greatest club in the world and will end his career there.

Biography

I just placed a POV tag on his biography section, and I'm hoping someone could look into it a bit. I'm currently too busy to tidy it up, but I'm hoping someone could help make it a bit more neutral? thanks -JacќяМ ¿Qué? 18:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Achievements

" 2 goals in 3 UEFA Champions League Finals "? what does this mean? Does it mean he scored 2 goals in 3 Champions league finals? If it so, how can that be? he scored 1 goal in 1 match and 1 goal in 2 matchs? (each match he scored 1/2 goal???)G.nguyenquang 21:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

• wow you are slow...Udonknome 03:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

1 goal in 2002 and 2000 no goal in 1998 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nirarbeli (talk • contribs) 17:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Raul scoring in Spanish cup

His stats in the spanish cup are : 15 goals in 33 matchs. So I don't know who always change this into 20 goals in 37 matchs but it's false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.2.96.210 (talk) 00:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

And here Raul's stats in Spanish cup

Season	Games	Goals
1994-1995	2	1
1995-1996	2	1
1996-1997	5	1
1997-1998	1	0
1998-1999	2	0
1999-2000	4	0
2000-2001	0	0
2001-2002	6	6
2002-2003	2	0
2003-2004	7	6
2004-2005	1	0
2005-2006	0	0
2006-2007	1	0
Total	33	15

Sleeps in a special oxygen room

Independent has reports out today that raul sleeps in an o2 room to help cope with with aging. One of many aging superstar footballers with interesting additions to retain their edge; shevchenko for instance with his olymic sprinting coaches... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.110.84.99 (talk) 10:06, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Hi there, just to notify you that there is a request for List of goals scored by Raúl González to be merged into this article. J Milburn (talk) 23:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Source: goal.com

According to this article [1] (from: goal.com), it says:
"He (Raul) was the youngest player ever to score 50 goals, reaching that number at the age of twenty on the third day of the 97/98 season. Also, he was youngest to get to 100 (at 22, on day 33 of 99-00) and to reach 150 (at 25, day 24 of 02-03)"
I think this information on Raul, however apply to La Liga only! G.nguyenquang (talk) 23:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Goals Discrepancy

In the achievements section it says he has scored 200 la liga goals and then says he has scored 63 champions league goals; which means he must have a minimum of 263 career goals, but the stats section only shows 200 goals. Can someone please clear this up.190.58.3.112 (talk) 01:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Something wrong in the table

Raúl has scored until now 296 official goals, not 290. There must be also the goals in the intercontinental cup and spanish and european supercup. Look at spanish wiki!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.248.98 (talk) 12:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The table doesn't add up. The 97/98 goals add up to 12, not 13 as stated, and the Madrid (first team) years add up to 321 (320 if 97/98 is corrected). I've tried to find other sources to corroborate, but that brings further issues:

League goals in 04/05 was 8, not 9 according to espn. There is no record in the 96/97 copa del rey season of the one claimed goal Both 98/99 & 99/00 CL seasons are overstated by one. The three goals scored in the 1997 supercopa are missing from the 97/98 "other" column.

The net total of all that is a total of 319.

wtf? who edited raul???

change pls, some child from barca had fun... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.158.99.225 (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Raul's wife is the club owner's daughter?

I once read his wife is the club owner's daughter, but I couldn't find any source over the web. Is this true?Skyblue21 (talk) 04:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Basically, there is no owner of the club , Real Madrid have owned and operated by their members (socios) since its inception.--KSA^connect 05:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

No. Míchel Salgado married Lorenzo Sanz' daughter Malula. Raul17 (talk) 20:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Lorenzo Sanz has more than one daughter so it's correct that Malula is married to Salgado and Mamen to Raúl! DIEXEL (talk) 15:21, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Mamen is not a daughter of Lorenzo Sanz

Mamen's father is not Lorenzo Sanz. He has three sons and two daughters: Lorenzo, Fernando, Franciso (Paco), Mulalu and Diana. Raul17 (talk) 00:07, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

j'adors Raul trés fort —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.104.115.229 (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

End year for international career

I don't get the reasoning for continuously removing the end year for the international career. It doesn't imply that he's retired from international football, just that he hasn't suited up for Spain since 2006. Which he hasn't. And it's disingenuous to suggest that his international career is active because he "only" missed one major tournament. Since September 2006, he's missed the bulk of Euro 08 qualifying, the Euro 08 finals, World Cup qualifying, Confederations Cup and friendlies. That's a lot of important matches.

Leaving the end year blank suggests he still has an active international career. That's not the case. Yes, he's eligible for international duty, but that's true for everyone, including players who have announced their retirement. Theoretically, Diego Maradona could name himself to Argentina's squad of 23. And yes, Del Bosque has suggested he's open to calling up Raul, but every manager does that when the press asks about a popular player who doesn't fit in his plans.

And hey, if Raul gets named to the World Cup 2010 squad, great! We'll just remove that pesky "2006". Otherwise, that's when he last played international football. Mosmof (talk) 22:56, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Schalke Transfer

This is NOT, repeat NOT, confirmed. Should not be reported as such.

HertzVanRentalsUK (talk) 18:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The page has been protected now to stop that--Rockybiggs (talk) 18:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

It has been confirmed that Raul has joined FC Schalke 04. here is the link: http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/clubfootball/news/newsid=1277766.html#real+confirm+raul+departure Yhk98civil (talk) 11:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

It doesn`t mention that, it states Schalke are `leading the chase`--Rockybiggs (talk) 13:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Raul has denied being in contact with Schalke and news coming from BBC and Sky Sports News are reporting he is more likely to be Premier League bound. (With Man Utd, Spurs And Liverpool being named as possible clubs...with Spurs being the odds on favourite). I repeat Raul has denied being in talks with Schalke but did say it's either England or Germany he has yet to decide. --------- I request that the line 'He is said to be close to signing for Schalke' be changed to 'There is a lot of speculation regarding Raul's future whether he moves to England or Germany'? 91.107.181.50 (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 90.192.64.199, 25 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} raul will join shalke fc

/\/\

Read above Raul is more likely to be England Bound. Rightly rejected. 91.107.181.50 (talk) 19:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

90.192.64.199 (talk) 22:35, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Honours with Spain?

The "all time goalscorer" with spain shouldn't be listed on Individual section? Bobby Charlton or Thierry Henry are the top goal scorer of their respective countries and this isn't mentioned as an "Honour" with their national teams. It's kinda sad that this great player didn't won anything with Spain but not a reason to put this type of individual distinctions. XavierHD (talk) 16:21, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

International career

Can someone please clean up the International Career section? It's a mess, with several repeated sentences, awkward phrasing, and just an overall giant mess. Morhange (talk) 07:16, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

The entire article is one big mess

It is so far below the standard of any Wikipedia article I have seen in years. It is badly written and keeps on getting updated as either a fan page/a personal attack depending on who is doing the editing. The language is downright deplorable in terms of meaning, grammar and spelling. This needs a HUGE clean up! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.148.82 (talk) 01:53, 2 April 2011 (UTC) I agree ... this article is horribly partial and based on individual opinion. In particular the section on Euro 2008 is ridiculous and more "what might have been" than "what was". It is well recorded that Raul never got selected for Euro 2008 on the basis that he would not be used because a) he was out of form and plain not good enough at the time and b) playing Raul forces constraints on the rest of the team (and ... whisper it ... c) Raul likes to "run" the changing room). For the record ... I couldn't have more time for Raul! Kjmacphee (talk) 21:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)kjmacphee

Unencyclopedic edits by IP editor

There's a user in the 125.161.xx.xxx IP range who keeps reintroducing unsourced commentary and WP:PEACOCK terms into the article:

• [2] by 125.161.52.119
• [3] by 125.161.51.247
• [4] by 125.161.51.161
• [5] by 125.161.62.75
• [6] by 125.165.95.224

Each time, the editor introduces the following issues:

• The height contradicts the cited source
• "outstanding debut performance" (peacock term)
• "many of which were off the bench as the club eased the youngster into senior football" (unsorted commentary)
• "Over until his last season," (what does that mean?)
• "With powerful symbolism" (symbolism and their powerfulness are inherently unverifiable)
• "Raúl's last touch with ball as Real Madrid player before he injured and kept him ruled out of action" (poor grammar)
• "He did whilst withstood pain. A meaningful goal in his last touch with the ball with Real Madrid." (unsorted and peacock/commentary)
• "ending speculation about his future" (source of speculation not clarified)
• "Raúl began his nation career in the international scene" (poor grammar, needlessly wordy)
• "Raúl was unfortunate that his peak did not coincide with that of the members of Spain's current "Golden Generation", as this undermined his prospects of adding silverware with…" (POV)
• "In spite of a successful first two seasons of senior football, Raúl was not chosen by then-coach…" (POV)
• "here is a certain nagging guilt prevalent in Spanish footballing culture… " (unattributed commentary)
• "For many years," (unquantified number)
• And some WP:MOS issues in the awards section.

If you disagree with any of this, please discuss on at least present a rationale in the edit description. Otherwise, because of the inability to engage in a conversation with user using dynamic IP addresses, the only other solution I can see is semi-protecting the article from anonymous editors. Mosmof (talk) 16:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Since posting the above message, I haven't seen a response, just the same revert by Malaysian IP addresses, except outside the above dynamic IP range:

• [7] by 222.124.50.221
• [8] by 180.243.99.32
• [9] by 110.138.11.63

Please stop making this unexplained, unhelpful changes and discuss why you want to make these particular edits. --Mosmof (talk) 15:29, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

lead paragraph needs editting

Raúl González Blanco (born 27 June 1977 in Madrid, Spain), known simply as Raúl, is a Spanish footballer who plays as a striker. He currently plays for German club Schalke 04.[3] Raúl had spent most of his career playing for Spanish club Real Madrid up until joing [sic] Schalke in 2010 and is the club's all-time top goalscorer. Raúl is a three-time winner of the UEFA Champions League and has long been the competition's all-time leading goalscorer. He left Real Madrid on 25 July 2010, having scored 323 goals in 741 appearances

This gives the appearance that he is Schalke's top scorer, this should be clarified as he most clearly isn't, and the spelling error highlighted --67.21.103.35 (talk) 02:58, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done --Mosmof (talk) 03:18, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Inflated numbers in scoring and incorrect totals

Guys, Wanted to give you a heads up that someone has mucked up all Raul's numbers from his Real Madrid and Al-Sadd days. All the totals for goals seem quite inflated and are incorrect. I corrected the ones that were related to the Bundesliga but the other totals still need fixing. - RS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.81.12.34 (talk) 14:27, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Career UEFA Champions League Goals

He owns the career record of goals at 71, but the table displays a career total of 75 in continental(European) matches. And no combination of seasons equal 4 goals from another European league. The 2 goal seasons are all Champions League competition, as well as the 4 goal seasons. No 1 goal seasons exists on the table, so I'm not sure how it all adds up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.103.236.86 (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC) ~~Cameron from USA~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.103.236.86 (talk) 14:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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Current position as a coach of Real Madrid Castilla.

Raul is currently coach of Real Madrid Castilla (their reserve team), but the article doesn't reflect this apart from a small footnote in the bio. I'm not a regular editor, so perhaps someone could amend the article for me. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cthleung (talk • contribs) 17:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 17 October 2019

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

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Raúl (footballer) → Raúl González – Reasons:

1. Natural disambiguation is preferred over parenthetical disambiguation where possible (WP:NCDAB, WP:NCPDAB).
2. Raúl González (sometimes with Blanco) is in common usage by English language sources for disambiguation ([10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16]).
3. Article is already the primary topic for Raúl González, which is currently a redirect.
4. There are several other footballers called Raúl (including Raúl Jiménez, who also just has Raúl on his shirt), so the current title is not unambiguous. Wikipedia policies have no concept of a "primary disambiguated topic": once parantheses are used the name should be completely unambiguous, even though this article is probably the primary topic among footballers called Raúl. Charlie A. (talk) 11:48, 17 October 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. Sceptre (talk) 23:23, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 08:36, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - he is the clear PRIMARYTOPIC for this name, see also Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer) for a similar example. GiantSnowman 08:38, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that he's isn't the most important/notable topic for Raúl (footballer) (we're agreed that he is). But the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC policy is only concerned with whether/which one of a set of ambiguously titled articles is left undisambiguated, so that searches for the title skip the disambiguation page where that's more often going to be desirable. Once an article is not the "ultimate" undisambiguated primary topic, it's just about choosing a natural, unambiguous disambiguation. Raúl (footballer) is not the primary topic for Raul—i.e. searches for him will almost always go via a disambiguation stage anyway—so WP:PRIMARYTOPIC isn't relevant.

That given, I'm suggesting that Raúl González is a better option than Raúl (footballer) because (a) it's natural, and WP:NCPDAB prefer this (among other reasons, because it's neutral—avoids ever needing to decide at what stage someone gets notable enough in a second field to warrant a page move); (b) it's in common usage among English-language media (e.g. [17]—this is in contrast to Ronaldo, where his full name is never used and he is more commonly specified as "the Brazilian striker" or similar, [18]); and, less importantly, (c) there are other (less notable/important) footballers known just as Raúl, so Raúl (footballer) doesn't actually disambiguate.Charlie A. (talk) 12:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Support - his commonname is just Raul, but he is often referred to as Raul Gonzalez and is primarytopic there as well. This better disambiguates, as there are tons of footballers who go by just Raul.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:41, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per GiantSnowman. Unreal7 (talk) 18:09, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

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is Raul 16 goals in Real Madrid 94-95 in segunda division b confirmed Arthur 0098 (talk) 20:43, 18 October 2023 (UTC)