Talk:Rabi I

Question

How does the meaning of the name of the month, the beginning of spring, confer with the fact that the Hijri months migrates in relation to the seasons? It would be nice if someone could provide information on concepts and views in regard of this peculiarity. --Xact (talk) 22:14, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
the names was true only on first ten years. then luni-calendar started to shift, but names was unchanged. Tabascofernandez (talk) 07:43, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Rabi' is not spring

it means "rainy" season. first part and the second [Awwal/Thani]. starting from Tishri, it falls on Kislev and Tevet [rainy autumn] when made arabian deserts green. Tabascofernandez (talk) 07:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

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Not majority

Not majority celebrate it majority doesn't celebrate it cause it's clearly a copy of Christmas and we have 9nly two celebration and three if you wanna count Fridays prayers 109.132.27.118 (talk) 12:32, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

agree, celebrating the specific "birthday" is an inovation (haram) 74.215.221.14 (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This page is for the month and not for a single date. Take off the glasses of hate and see. Theraza (talk) 14:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Shadat Bibi Sakina bite Hussain dead date

Bibi Sakina died in Damascus on the 13th of Safar in the year 61 Hijri and was buried in the Sayyidah Ruqayya Mosque in Damascus, Syria. 182.184.75.209 (talk) 05:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 28 March 2026

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The result of the move request was: moved. Moved as an uncontested request with minimal participation. I interpret {{ping|Srnec|p='s}} lack of reply for a month as implicit consent. If there is any objection within a reasonable time frame, please ask me to reopen the discussion; if I am not available, please ask at the technical requests page. (non-admin closure) Feeglgeef (talk) 19:55, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

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• Rabi' al-Awwal → Rabi I
• Rabi' al-Thani → Rabi II
• Jumada al-Awwal → Jumada I
• Jumada al-Thani → Jumada II

– Per WP:COMMONNAME, WP:USEENGLISH and WP:CONCISE, the forms Rabi I, Rabi II, Jumada I, and Jumada II are much more commonly used in English-language sources, as shown by Ngram trends and longstanding usage in English scholarship since at least the 19th century.

Also WP:NPOV: these months are called by variety of names in the Muslim world, using the adjectives

• الأول al-Awwal (masc.) / الأولى al-Ula (fem.) ‘the First’
• الثاني al-Thani (masc.) / الثانية al-Thaniya (fem.) ‘the Second’ or الآخر al-Akhir (masc.) / الآخرة al-Akhira (fem.) ‘the Last’.

With Jumada (a feminine word), speakers of Arabic predominantly use feminine adjectives (al-Ula, al-Thaniya, al-Akhira; cf. Arabic Wikipedia: جمادى الأولى [jumādā l‑ʾūlā], جمادى الآخرة [jumādā l‑ʾākhira]).

By contrast, Jumada with masculine adjectives is mostly used by speakers of Persian, Turkic or Urdu languages (usually as Jumadi ul-Awwal / us-Sani / ul-Akhir). (These forms originated from ellipsis of Arabic phrases like Shahr … al-Awwal ‘the First Month of …’ – the word shahr ‘month’ being masculine in Arabic.)

	Jumada I ‘the First’ (Ula / Awwal)	Jumada II
		‘the Second’ (Thaniya / Thani)	or ‘the Last’ (Akhira / Akhir)
Arabic	‏جمادى الأولى‎ jumādā al-ʾūlā	‏جمادى الثانية‎ jumādā al-thāniya	‏جمادى الآخرة‎ jumādā al-ʾākhira
Persian	جمادی‌الاول jumādī-ul-awwal	جمادی‌الثانی jumādī-us-sānī	جمادی‌الآخر jumādī-ul-ākhir
Turkish	cemaziyelevvel	cemaziyessani	cemaziyelahir
Urdu	جمادی الاول jumādī-ul-avval	جمادی الثانی jumādī-us-sānī	جمادی الآخر jumādī-ul-ākhir

Using “I/II” avoids privileging one group over another and provides a consistent, neutral, and concise naming scheme following English usage.

(Note that Rabi is more common in English without the final apostrophe. Initial and final apostrophes are usually omitted in English borrowings from Arabic.) ~2026-19358-15 (talk) 10:44, 28 March 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 16:05, 4 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 04:38, 12 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 23:34, 19 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 09:46, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

• Brill's Encyclopaedia of Islam, new edition, uses the same form as our titles, albeit in strict transliteration, so I'm not totally convinced. If moved, the month name should be italicized and the Roman numeral not in the page title, to ease comprehension. Srnec (talk) 13:50, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

  Not true. Encyclopaedia of Islam uses Rabi I/II, Djumada I/II (in 1st and 2nd eds.) and Jumada I/II (in 3rd ed.) throughout all its articles, and without any italics.
  Also, the articles “Rabīʿ” and “D̲j̲umādā” (in 1st ed.) and “Taʾrīk̲h̲” (in 2nd ed.) give the full forms of Rabi II and Jumada I/II as “Rabīʿ al-Āk̲h̲ir” / “D̲j̲umādā’l-ʾŪlā” / “D̲j̲umādā’l-Āk̲h̲ira” (like Arabic Wikipedia), not “Rabi al-Thani” / Jumada al-Awwal” / “Jumada al-Thani”. ~2026-21024-10 (talk) 18:04, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

  I was unclear. I was not asserting that the EI2 uses those forms in preference to Roman numerals, only that there is nothing wrong with our current titles, as you imply there is with Jumada al-Awwal. I was looking at the Taʾrīkh article, but it now seems that I skimmed too fast, because it does not use Djumādā al-Awwal. Comment struck. Srnec (talk) 18:24, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

  As you can see, the Taʾrīkh article does not use “Jumada al-Awwal”. This is because—as explained above—“Jumada al-Awwal” and “Jumada al-Thani” are not the common names for these months in Arabic, which prefers Jumada al-Ula and Jumada al-Akhira (see the table above). “Jumada al-Awwal” isn’t common either in English, nor in Persian/Turkic/Urdu, which generally use the corrupted form “Jumadi” + masculine adjectives (again, see the table above).
  For all these reasons, it is best to use the WP:COMMONNAMES Rabi I/II and Jumada I/II as titles, which also have the advantage of respecting WP:NPOV and WP:USEENGLISH. ~2026-21035-80 (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Islam and WikiProject Time have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 04:39, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

See also:

• “Rabi I” in Collins English Dictionary
• “Rabi II” in Collins English Dictionary
• “Jumada I” in Collins English Dictionary
• “Jumada II” in Collins English Dictionary

and Google Ngram clearly showing them as WP:COMMONNAMES. ~2026-23383-62 (talk) 05:23, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

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