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Latest comment: 21 days ago2 comments1 person in discussion
This is super screwy, because I think we might've misinterpreted a Chicago Tribune article and caused a WP:CITOGENESIS. The Tribune calls her a Dallas "native", but we now have The Hollywood Reporter saying she was born in Niagara Falls. So either the Reporter is getting this wrong, or the Tribune was using the term "native" too loosely – implying that she grew up in Dallas but was not born there. I can't make heads or tails of which one is true based on existing reliable sources. TheTechnician27(Talk page)19:15, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
The good news, however, is that the consensus of existing reliable secondary sources does appear to comport with what original research would say. Her sister said that her birthday was "tomorrow" in a GoFundMe post on July 7, so as long as she actually died at 46 (which reliable sources like Variety and the Reporter both attest to), it would have been July 8, 1978 to the day. So that's essentially solved. But this whole place of birth thing is kind of a cluster. TheTechnician27(Talk page)19:19, 12 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 19 days ago8 comments6 people in discussion
Given this article (and, seemingly, everywhere else) says Lillis was 46, I suppose it is worth noting, for those who didn't see it, the New York Times obituary says she was born in July 1969, and makes a decent case (she graduated from Smith College, met Eric Stuart in the mid-1990s, and he cast her in Pokémon when he began directing dubs a few years later - if she was born in 1978, she would probably have only been ~19 when Pokémon dubbing started, so the timeline doesn't especially add up if so). Anyone else have any 2c? Nohomersryan (talk) 00:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP:RSPTWITTER reads: As a self-published source, it is considered generally unreliable and should be avoided unless the author is a subject-matter expert or the tweet is used for an uncontroversial self-description. In most cases, Twitter accounts should only be cited if the user's identity is confirmed in some way. Tweets that are not covered by reliable sources are likely to constitute undue weight. Hope this helps. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Plenty of sources still say 46, including ones I'm confident would be considered reliable and not just leeching off Wikipedia, such as NBC, BBC, Fox, USA Today, Time magazine, and The Hollywood Reporter (as do many other "second rate" sources like Kotaku or E! that are probably regurgitating coverage). Oughtn't the article at least reflect this discrepancy, rather than anoint one source as sacrosanct? Anonymous Contributor 012786 (talk) 11:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
The Times has a reputation for – frankly – actual journalism and fact-checking, namely trying to find an origin for her birthdate instead of just blindly following other sources, and in doing so, they actually contacted Lillis' sister. Additionally, CBC News independently corroborated this information with her sister (the CBC News article has since been edited to read "She was 55"). This was a massive runaway case of WP:CITOGENESIS, although I don't think we're the ones that started it. TheTechnician27(Talk page)05:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Age sources do not contain information about her age
Latest comment: 20 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Can we move the contention/misinformation over her birth year to be a note next to where her birth year is written in the article? If we say "while some outlets say she was 46, she was revealed to be actually 55" in the article, it's going to read a little too much like original research. I'd do it myself, but don't know the correct templating to use. Tytrox (talk) 09:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not done. Please see the footnote next to her DoB. The NYT interviewed Lillis' sister who confirmed that her DoB was July 8, 1969. This appears to have been a runaway case of WP:CITOGENESIS whose origin is not really known at this point. TheTechnician27(Talk page)17:33, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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