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Requested move 16 May 2019
editRadhaKrishn (TV series) → RadhaKrishn – There is some mistake in the names of this TV serial, because the correct name of the serial is given as per references (https://www.indiatoday.in/television/video/radhakrishn-when-krishna-turned-into-radha-1430065-2019-01-13) over other web results. Do not sign this. Goodd-002 (chatme) 03:34, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support - The article was created at this title but was moved several hours ago by a now indef blocked sockpuppet to RadhaKrishn (2018 TV series). I moved it back here because the additional disambiguation was unnecessary ,but I probably should have moved it to RadhaKrishn because disambiguation is not necessary at all. That said, the article was deleted after this AfD and RadhaKrishn was protected. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Done –xenotalk 15:26, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
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Non constructive editing
editThis page has been continuously subjected to non constructive editing which includes personal opinions of different registered and non registered editors and incorrect factual details added by users without providing any reliable source. This hampers the quality of the article. Though many editors are reverting the non constructive edits on regular basis but still the continuous disruptive editing by others needs to stop. For any discussion, any queries, kindly use the talk page of the article instead of adding the personal opinions on the main page. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 10:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
Page moved without any discussion
editRecently, the page was moved from RadhaKrishn to RadhaKrishna (Series) by user User:WikipedianUser12 without providing any valid reason behind the move. Also, there has been no discussion regarding this move with fellow editors. Though now, the page is moved back to its original name. It's a request, in case of any major change, kindly discuss it with the fellow editors on the talk page of the article. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 17:03, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Genre of the show
editThere are multiple news articles which refer RadhaKrishn as mythological show. I am listing down such few news articles from standard news portals like Times of India, Indian Express and Hindustan Times for further reference - 1) In 2019, show wins award for Best Mythological show. https://m.timesofindia.com/tv/tv-awards/indian-telly-awards/2019/115 2) https://m.timesofindia.com/tv/news/hindi/why-mythological-shows-have-been-ruling-indian-television-during-the-lockdown/articleshow/75832699.cms 3) https://m.timesofindia.com/tv/news/hindi/radhakrishn-makes-an-entry-in-top-5-yeh-rishta-kya-kehlata-hai-loses-its-spot/articleshow/66862794.cms 4) https://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/radhakrishn-actors-sumedh-mudgalkar-mallika-singh-and-crew-of-180-people-stranded-at-shoot-location-amid-lockdown/story-DEMDAzZ4Iub0a7ykj4cQ0M.html 5) https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/tv/mythological-drama-takes-over-small-screen-702821 6) https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/television/heres-where-your-favourite-television-shows-will-be-shot-during-the-maharashtra-curfew-7276462/
In case, still if anyone has any different point of view regarding genre, feel free to discuss here. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 06:34, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
- Before proceeding, minding the difference between mythology and mythology fiction/mythic fiction is an absolute necessity. Have a glimpse here: https://indianexpress.com/article/lifestyle/books/mythological-fiction-and-mythology-are-different-devdutt-pattanaik-4791044/
Moreover re this Firstly, me being sarcastic was a result of your literature excuse, yes it is an "excuse," (will brief about it later) and me being judgemental was a result of yours judgements regarding me not being neutral while editing the article and also to your improper manner of starting a conversation in my talk page (threatenings etc). So, The answer to your first question, WP:CON is important to me, that's why I have not edited the article yet, but two questions from my side too, 1. Where were the importance of consensus vanished during the time, the article had horrible plots and confusing Cast and Characters section, why only regarding the genre and 2. Why you keep uplifting WP:CON again and again, since by now, the importance has consents have taken a form of conflicts? Moreover, now I am taking consensus from you and everyone interested in this genre dispute. Answer to your second question, I went thoroughly through Myth, now I beg of you to go through the link I shared above, and also articles of Mythology (fiction) and Mythic fiction. Moreover, no part of Myth article proves that using mythology term, someone has the rights to use creative freedom up to an extent that the difference between, mythology and fiction look void. Your third answer, majesty, newspapers may be considered as a source but not an absolute source that completely proves that the show is Mythological. The sources you provided can be fitted into other places of the article, like the award one can be fitted in the award section of the article (which unfortunately don't exist currently but I will try to make it soon) and mythological shows running in Covid lockdown can be fitted into the re-runs area of the article, but, not at all as a prove to the show being purely mythology, truthfully speaking. Yeah, if you find a scholar source or any newspaper article guaranteeing or declaring Radhakrishn as "Pure Mythology Show," then that "MAY" be taken into account.
Fourth and last but definitely not the least, the stories coming from Garga Samhita and Brahma Vaivarta Purana or any other scriptures as mentioned by you, going to be briefed now,
1) Agreed, names of characters and relationships, even places are correct as per the best of my knowledge (which I admitted too, previously that the show has "only" taken characters from the scriptures, each and every story, if not complety but for sure, partially fake). 2) Krishna killing asuras. Agreed but at what age? At what incidents, lets take Aghasur case into account, I don't find in any Hindi texts that to help Radha get rid of "fear/bhay" Krishna helped Radha in killing Aghasur (in fact I didn't even find that Radha had any impurities as bhay/fear or something), killing of Kaliya naag too modified, in fact Krishna killing every demon is modified. 3) Krishna killing Kansa, at what age again? I reality 11, in the show, after Radha's marriage with Ayan (really?) 4) Radha-Krishna's Brahma Vivah/celestial wedding - AGREED! Congratulations. Atleast something that I can't find flaws out of. 5) Radhakrishn Raas with Gopeshwar Mahadev, at what age again? I mean the age factor alone will make the entire show fake. Krishna's first raas or every other raas was between ages 5-11 and in this show, literally Krishna is 17-18 years old, wow. 6) Krishna's marriage with Rukmini, how? On Radha's request, I just don't know, how Radha got involved in Rukmini-Krishna's case. Krishna and Radha never met after age 11 (except for one text, the testify that they met on Ashwamedha Yagna incident in Dwarka, 30-35 years post Mahabharata). Also, the characters of Satyabhama and Jambhvati has been defamed up to an extent, that its literally unbearable. They literally made Mata Jambhvati, a villain. 7) Krishna killing Narkasur, with the help of Radha or Satyabhama? 8) Krishna lifting Govardhan, again at what time and age. In reality at the age of 7, and not few days prior to Radharani's wedding with Ayan (as per this show). 9) Story of Radha kund and Shyam Kund, again at what age, what time, after Radha's marriage (really?) 10) Krishna leaving Vrindavan to establish Dwarka. Krishna left Vrindavan at the age of 11 and then got education (in between got Sudharshan too), then established Dwarka. 11) Killing of Banasur, ok so now this thing is really conflict creating, according to this show, Samba was born after Mahabharata (really) along with Aniruddha and Samba married Duryodhana's daughter, Lakshamna and Aniruddha married Usha, simultaneously. Now, for a minute, relax your mind and think about this, Samba was born after Mahabharata and married Laxmana when he gets young, so I wonder, according to this show, how many years older Laxmana is, to her husband, Samba, Moreover, they defamed Laxamana too. 12) Killing of Rukmi by Balaram - Not comments else it will go way too long, the way Rukmi was killed was pretty much correct but their are various other factors to be pointed out, that I don't want to have a debate on, right now as I will go way too long..... 13) Radha Krishna meeting in Sage Ashtvakra - again no comments (but I can if needed)....14) Sridama curing Radha - Oh my God, shown in a completely fake way! Yes Sridama cursed Radha according to few legends but the way the makers have shown is completely fake. 15) Radhakrishn descends from Goloka to Earth - Yes, ofcourse due and that to the curse but again, shown in a completely fake manner. 16) Comments will go again way too long. 17) Yes, indeed but Lord Vishnu didn't take those incarnations to teach love, neither did he ever recited all those story to Radha (after her marriage, especially). 18) Mahabharata, I didn't want to make comments but I just couldn't resist myself from doing so. First of all, what is Radha doing here? Krishna killed Sishupala after he insulted Devi Rukmini, not Radharani as shown in this show. I hope you would remember that, Rukmini devi's marriage initially was fixed with Sishupala for which he taunted Krisna and insulted Rukmni in Yudhishthir 's yagna and thus Krishna killed him. But in this show, Krishna killed him for insulting Radha. Also, Radha requesting Devi Draupadi to help Krishna as his hands were bleeding to wrap his hands with some clean cloth. I mean this is just disgusting. Also, Radha ordering Krishna to save Draupadi 's dignity. This just defames the selfless relation between Lord Krishna and Devi Draupadi. Moreover, Mahabharata track was abruptly ended due to TRP hedges. So yeah, not even a single story is completely or even partially true, major "intentional" mistakes were done underneath Creative freedom edges. Infact, in the disclaimer, itself, it is confessed that the show is made for "Entertainment purpose only" and the plot of the show justifies it. And such entertainment purpose shows with Mythology characters are considered Mythic fiction shows or Mythology fictions aas answered in your second question and also the very fist link shared. So, next time, come with a stable evidence proving the show's worth as a Mythology show. For the current moment, the show neither proven completely fictional nor it has been given the title of mythology, completely, yet so I'm fixing the genre as Mythology (Fiction) as of now after your consensus. Thanks and regards. Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 19:46, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
Atleast I am providing standard newspaper articles which states the show as Mythology but so far you have not produced even a single source which can be termed reliable according to Wikipedia guidelines. So, better you bring some evidence next time which calls this show a Fiction or Mythnic fiction. Regards. Kridha (talk) 07:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Link correction - Mythic fiction. Kridha (talk) 07:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I have added Drama as genre alongside Mythology. Before removing it, at least go through the Wikipedia page of Drama (film and television). It encompasses both fictional and semi fictional aspect of show. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 07:18, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
You have mentioned that Radha and Krishna never met or only once met after the age of 11. So, just for your information, Garg Samhita clearly states there three meetings after Krishna left to kill Kansa. 1) Krishna returned from Mathura to Vrindavan after killing Kansa. 2) Radha Krishna meeting at Siddhashrama 3) Radha Krishna meeting at Kadli vann from where they both returned to Goloka. Infact, Brahma Vaivarta Purana also mentioned two of these meetings. Read it for your sake. Both the scriptures are available online. So check it out. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 07:30, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi there; standard newspaper articles mentioned the show as "Mythology" show, ok, agreed. However, it is an indirect way of proving something. Also, how is it a direct or absolute source. Again, take the example of Telly Awards 2019, as I said before, this article fits better into "Award" section of the show's page, which don't exist as of now and same with others too. Also, Have you went through that mythology (fiction) page and the link I shared at the very starting of my reply. If not, then for your sake, go through them, and mind the difference between pure Mythology and Mythology fiction. By the way, you should be answering my Question 1 that I asked as an answer to your first question. (Yeah, in the case, if you're don't have any answers, you can confess :p). Also, you added Mythology + Drama as the genres which collectively can be written as "Mythology (fiction)" as it completely justifies the genre of the show. Coming to Fiction, yes, the show is not completely fictional, actually, there are many types of fictions, like science fictions, mythology fictions (that's what I'm talking about, though), fantasy and many more. Also, lastly, I did gave one exception about Radha-Krishna's meeting post Kans's death during the Ashwamedha Yagna incident, I'm not sure about Siddashrama meeting though. Moreover, there are many more scriptures that can be taken as a source like Padma Purana, Bhagwat Geeta, etc, why to take Garga Samhita and Brahma Vaivarta Purana only into account. Here you go, "After Lord Krishna moved to Mathura to slay Kamsa, residents of Vrindavana were sad and thought only about Lord Krishna and no one else within their life. Lord Krishna was only twelve years old when he slayed Kamsa. After slaying Kamsa he went to hermitage of Sandipani Muni to learn about Vedas and scriptures where he made friends like Sudama. After some months of studying, Lord Krishna completed his education and returns to Mathura where he is busy combatting against mighty army of one wicked king Jarasandha of Magadh. He wins with Jarasandha each time but finally to keep his public away from his fear and trouble Lord Krishna decided to make Dwarka his capital city. Lord Vishwakarma is given chance to construct Dwarka. He makes beautiful palaces and fountains and houses within this new kingdom of Dwarka and it's even more beautiful than heaven. Lord Krishna shifts with his family within Dwarka. Shortly after there is swayamwara of royal maiden Rukmini who is mentioned to be Goddess Sri within many Mahabharata. She writes letter to Lord Krishna and pleads him to rescue her from wicked Shishupal. That mighty Lord Krishna on her swayamwara day, swipes Rukmini into his chariot infront of Shishupala and her other suitors and also after punishing her brother Rukmi, they go to Dwarka where Lord Krishna marries his lady Rukmini who becomes chief queen of Dwarka."
"Padma Purana mentioned that Lord Krishna's foster parents Nanda and Yashoda also come with some residents of Vrindavan for witnessing wedding of Lord Krishna with Rukmini and Devaki gives them many gifts. This is maybe first time that Lord Krishna met his parents after slaying of Kamsa. But this is only within Padma Purana and Mahabharata does not mention this. Padma Purana did not make mention of presence of Radha for Lord Krishna's wedding with Vaidarbhi."
Cowherd Nanda came (there) with young cowherds, and hosts of (other) cowherds. Yaśodā also came there with well-decorated ladies. Cowherds, like Nanda, ladies like Yasodā were honoured with many ornaments of gold and jewels and with garments. They were also delighted within that marriage-celebration.
-From Padma Purana.
According to Srimad Bhagawatam, Lord Krishna meets residents of Vrindavana when both people of Vrindavan, and people of Dwarka come to bank of River Yamuna to see eclipse of Sun. That is only one moment when Lord Krishna and people of Vrindavana meet each other with love and tears. Lord Krishna also meets his beloved parents Nanda and Yashoda there. His wives also meet them. But here also mention of gopi Radha is not made. Only mention of Lord Krishna talking to gopis is made.
Text 41- [Lord Kṛṣṇa said,] My dear girlfriends, do you still remember Me? It’s for My relatives’ sake that I stayed away so long, intent on destroying My enemies and foes.
Text 42-Do you perhaps think I’m ungrateful and thus hold Me within contempt? After all, its that Supreme Lord who brings living beings together, and then also separates them.
Text 47-Having thus been instructed via Kṛṣṇa within spiritual matters those gopīs were freed of all tinges of false ego because of their incessant meditation upon Him. And with their deepening absorption within Him, they came to understand Him fully.
-From Srimad Bhagavatam
"We may think that Radharani was one of those gopis because if gopis had come to see that eclipse then also their leader Radharani may have come though there is no mention of Lord Krishna's special gopi meeting him within Kurukshetra. There are some verses about Lord Krishna's favourite gopi Radha within Srimad Bhagavatam Canto Ten which states that Uddhava one of Lord Krishna's friends comes to land of Vrindavana with Lord Krishna's message for gopis. There one particular gopi sang one beautiful song hinting to one bee but remembering Lord Krishna through that song called Bumblebee song or Bhramar geet. Canto 10 has not named who that gopi was who sang that song but mostly it's only Radharani who sang for her Lord Krishna infront of Uddhava which made him realise that love of gopis was quite different from others. Thus Srimad Bhagawatam states singing of Bhramar geet via one special gopi, assumed to be Radharani. Thus Mahabharata, Vishnu Purana and Srimad Bhagawatam do not tell any thing about Lord Krishna meeting his love Radha after establishing Dwarka. These scriptures say he married Rukmini and Satyabhama along with many other princesses like Mitravinda, Bhadra, Lakshmana and river Kalindi (she turned herself into human) along with Jambavati who was bear king's child. He married 16000 princesses because no one would marry them after they were kept captive within Narakasura's palace for more than one year. Rukmini's son with Lord Krishna was none other than Kamdev who married goddess of love, Rati. He was called Pradyumna within his mortal life. Lord Krishna with his wives had many daughters and sons (10 females and 80 sons). Thus Lord Krishna's life was busy within taking care of his people, solving their distress, tending to his wives, helping Pandavas, and slaying demons. Puranas have mentioned Goddess Radharani to be married to Lord Krishna eternally. Many of our Puranas like Matsya Purana, Varaha Purana, Narada Purana, Brahma Samhitam, Brahma Vaivart Purana and Devi Bhagawatam make mention of Radharani to be Lord Krishna's Hladini shakti or his potency who is also manifestation of Mahalakshmi. Sometimes she is said to be Nila Devi's manifestation or goddess of senses. Brahma Vaivarta Purana states that Goddess Radha manifested on Bhuloka because of one curse that she will be separated from Sri Krishna for hundred years. That's why before leaving for Mathura Lord Krishna married Radharani within sacred forest of Bhandirvan and her shadow marries Rayana, partial incarnation of Lord Krishna because her curse had to be fulfilled. Real Radha's soul is with Lord Krishna on Bhuloka till end of Dwapara after which Sri Krishna and Radharani unite within Vaikuntha. This is what Brahma Vaivart Purana says which made direct mention of Goddess Radha's name. Local legends say that Radha married Rayana and lives with him on her parents wish. Her mother-in-law and her husband's sibling taunt and spy on her but Radharani never leaves Krishna devotion. She keeps loving him. Once she becomes old she goes to Dwarka palace and meets Lord Krishna where, within one holy place, within some forest she leaves her mortal body after listening to Krishna's flute (to which you referred to Kadli vann). However most practically thinking, Radharani was Goddess Sri and due to curse, got separated from Lord Krishna due to which she never meets him till end of Dwapara yuga. Even when Lord Krishna's parents and other gopis meet him, Radharani keeps her promise and fulfilled her curse therefore maybe she did not go to Lord Krishna's wedding with Vaidarbhi. Finally Lord Krishna and Radharani reunite within Vaikuntha."
Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 07:59, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
PS : Did the makers of the show mentioned that Radhakrishn serial is based only upon Garga Samhita and Brahma Vaivarta Purana and they haven't taken any other scriptures at all into consideration, if not so, they for your kind sake, read a glimpse I shared above and if you have time, read the summary of all these texts, online or offline. Thanks Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 08:01, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
I have added reference for Mythological genre in Infobox following the WP:RS and WP:NEWSORG guidelines. If you have any standard reference to support Fictional genre, add it to the Infobox. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 08:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- I never said that the show is a pure fiction creation but you're saying its a pure Mythological show without proper evidence. I guess you yourself need to go through WP:RS thoroughly again. Yes newspaper sources can be considered, but at what context? The show entering top 5 in terms of TRP rather should get added to TRP section of the show, its not even a mere proof of show's pure mythology nature. The heading of the source itself should justify its meaning. Mind the difference between pure fiction, pure mythology and mythological fiction. The show's plot itself is the biggest evidence, supporting its dual nature, no more sources required at all. By the way, you just contradicted your own senses. You yourself first added drama genre to support the dual (mytho+fiction) nature, and I went with the shorter hand of "Mythology (fiction)" and not "Mythology" + "Drama" so that the readers don't have to visit individually Mythology and then drama pages, rather just by one link they can get a clear picture of the show's genre but you took it to a different meaning again , making this discussion again a conflict of interests. Bring a reference that directly gives the "Pure Mythology" genre to this show before once again breaking the rules of MOS:TV. Moreover, it would be better, if you put correct references to correct places and not make the article look even more naive, which it already is pretty much. By the way, your silence, confessed that you don't have any answers to my question 1 that I asked previously; Ok I understand the reason. Thanks but no thanks Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 10:39, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
PS : I have added Disputed template in the genre section section as per WP:AD so that other concerned editors too could get an idea regarding the matter and can discuss it here because till now, none of the editors except two of us has discussed the genre matter. Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 11:02, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Without providing any valid reason, reference has been continuously removed by you. I added references because it's you who has doubts regarding the Mythology genre of the show and now you yourself is removing references by giving excuse that single reference cannot be used multiple times? It definitely can be used wherever required in the article. There is no such Wikipedia guideline which states that single reference cannot be used more than one time. If there is any such guideline, do let me know. I'll replace the present reference with other standard reference. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 12:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Check this reference as well. This article of Times Now is all about the Indian mythological shows and RadhaKrishn has featured in this list as well. You are making me write the obvious again and again. Check the first post of this thread by me. I've provided multiple links there (All links are from standard newspaper, not from random online sites) and all those articles clearly categorize RadhaKrishn in mythological genre. Thanks. Kridha (talk) 12:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- Link - https://m.timesofindia.com/tv/news/hindi/why-mythological-shows-have-been-ruling-indian-television-during-the-lockdown/articleshow/75832699.cms Kridha (talk) 12:15, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
- re [1] Can you please refrain from your disputive edits, and mind having a a thorough reading of WP:MTR, you just can't remove a maintenance template without a valid reason. Moreover, I didn't removed your references, just placed them somewhere else where they would be more appropriately fixed. Ok, you may add the reference again to the genre section but still it won't be considered an absolute source proving this show to be purely mythological. I read the entire article and there was merely one statement (that too without any link) that Shows like Devon ke dev.. Mahadev and Radha Krishna having been re running as well. What Radha Krishna? To which channel the show belong too? You're forcing me again and again to tell the same thing. 1. Mind the difference between pure fiction, Mythology fiction and pure mythology. And 2. These sources are definitely reliable but not for the genre context as they don't exactly declare the show as "Pure Mythology." And just please refrain from removing any template without any valid reason. Atleast since you're unable to find valid evidences, so let the template be there, maybe someone else can find out. Read Mythology (fiction) in detail. Moreover, if this show is purely mythological, then mention the literatures they are based on in the infobox (with appropriate/absolute/direct/reliable references). And let me know, why did you added Drama as a genre to reflect the dual nature of the show and now you yourself are refrained from accepting the show's dual nature?Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 13:42, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm removing the dispute template as per the result of the matter at WP:AN3 Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 19:52, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Title screen needs to be replaced
editEditors having access to Wikimedia Commons please replace the title scteen with the new opening montage which changed recently due to revamp in Star Bharat Pri2000 (talk) 05:51, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Plot 3
editplease add the ending part in which radha returns to golok and Dwarka submerge under the sea 2409:40C1:1001:26D7:9F6E:A934:E504:FD20 (talk) 17:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)