Talk:Ramot, East Jerusalem

Reason why there's no Ramot 05

Is the reason given in this article really true? (It was submitted by an anonymous user.) I was under the impression that land was allocated for all six Ramots, but they skipped 05 in favor of building 06. Yoninah 22:09, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't sound right--there's a Katamon Heh. I believe they do skip 7, Zayin, though--there's a Katamon Vav and a Katamon Tet, but no Zayin. Alexisr 04:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

There reason there is no Ramot He/Hey(H) is because the letter is used in Hashem's name. He is often used to represent the name of God, as He stands for Hashem, which means The Name and is a way of saying God without actually saying the name of God. In print, Hashem is usually written as He with a geresh: ה׳. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_(letter)

--TiberiasTiberias (talk) 21:19, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

EJ

It is not politically some consider it East Jerusalem, Ramot is in East Jerusalem, full stop. That isnt a debatable point. nableezy - 18:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

It is certainty debatable. Ramot is in East Jerusalem is your point of view. Others have a different view. What is not debatable is geographically it is North West Jerusalem. I am putting both views here - not one. I am pointing out the actual geography as well as the political term. As far as the the political term East Jerusalem, there are many views with many opinions.

--TiberiasTiberias (talk) 17:14, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:WEASEL. Statements like "politically some consider it East Jerusalem" degrade the quality of the article and mislead readers. Sean.hoyland - talk 17:41, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

No, East Jerusalem is well defined as the portions of what Israel incorporated into Jerusalem that are past the Green Line. That is a straightforward definition of a common term, not a POV. Something can be in northwestern East Jerusalem. nableezy - 19:50, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia defines East Jerusalem as "East Jerusalem or Eastern Jerusalem refer to the parts of Jerusalem captured and annexed by Jordan after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War[citation needed] and then captured and annexed by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War"

Ramot does not fall into that definition. It was never captured nor annexed by Jordan. It was not captured and annexed by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War. It was a demilitarized zone. It would seem that Ramot was never East Jerusalem.

--TiberiasTiberias (talk) 20:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Uhh not really. You can consult a map of the Green Line to see that Ramot does indeed fall outside of it. And here is just one of the many sources for Ramot being in East Jerusalem. Note not eastern Jerusalem, but East Jerusalem. [1]. And here is the Times of Israel saying built on land captured during the 1967 Six Day War: [2] nableezy - 20:36, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

There are those who call Ramot East Jerusalem and many who don't. We could each come up with 100 links showing both. That is why it is disputed.

--TiberiasTiberias (talk) 22:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You dont seem to get the point Im making. You can pretend that the Green Line is a remnant of history and that it does not exist, but it does, and that is the line that nearly every state and competent party in the world uses to distinguish between Israel and the Palestinian territories, and specifically the boundary between Israeli west Jerusalem, and Israeli-occupied East Jerusalem. Ramot is objectively past the Green Line. There cant be a dispute to that, the Green Line is the Green Line is the Green Line. Now that makes it, to nearly state and competent party in the world, in East Jerusalem. East Jerusalem is well defined, and that is the location for Ramot, for Gilo, for Ramat Shlomo, for French Hill, for ... . Im sorry if it offends your politics to use terms like East Jerusalem. But NPOV directs us to proportionally represent significant views, and it is a super-majority view that whatever is past the Green Line in what Israel calls Jerusalem is East Jerusalem. That is the mainstream view on the topic, and we represent it as such. nableezy - 14:31, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Nableezy is right, there's no need for us as editors to "debate" the issue, since the only thing we can and need to do is have a look at what reliable sources say in the matter. Cheers, --Dailycare (talk) 20:43, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Tag

I don't dare attempt to rewrite the lead but it is in need of a complete rewrite. Simply expanding it might be a workable solution. The lead disregards almost everything about the place except for the politics. There are surely many aspects of the community that have nothing to do with politics but the reader will have no idea from looking at the lead alone. Tt has been shown that many readers do this and Wikipedia has very clear standards on how to write a proper lead. Cptnono (talk) 02:35, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't see that much problem with the lead, and I suggest that we remove the tag, Huldra (talk) 20:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

"Neighbourhood"

Ramot is not a neighbourhood, this is a POV term. The neutral term is settlement, as used in every other wikipedia article about settlements. It is stated below that it is a settlement, but it shouldn't be called a "community" because this is ignoring the fact that Ramot is built in the Occupied West Bank, not in Israel. Can someone please change 'community' to 'settlement' for the sake of consistency, accuracy, balance and neutrality. 121.99.183.152

You're right, done. Dan Palraz (talk) 14:42, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 January 2023

tevel school is located in ramot and is missing this page ItaiBenTsiyon (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:33, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Ramot Alon is not located in East Jerusalem

But rather in North West Jerusalem. This is East Jerusalem As you can see in the black outline. Ramot is certainly not located in East Jerusalem. Please change this misleading info, Thanks. Wikieditor738 (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2024 (UTC)