Talk:Rango (2011 film)

Types of animals in cast list

These seem like OR from viewers, who may or may not be authorities on desert wildlife, and which may or may not be correct. If these aren't cited, policy says they have to go. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:20, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Beans doesn't look like a desert iguana, seeing as Rango looks very much like a real-life chameleon face-wise, if you were to apply this to Beans as well, her big eyes make her look like some sort of gecko. Also, Abigail Breslin has stated that Priscilla is an aye-aye —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.50.250 (talk) 22:38, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

I found a site at Scholastic.com where she says, "My character in Rango is Priscilla. She is a cactus mouse and the technically term is an Aye-aye and I think she is absolutely gorgeous and adorable." However, an aye-aye and a cactus mouse are two very different things, and 14-year-old Abigail Breslin clearly is not a reliable source of information about zoology. I'll put this cite in for cactus mouse on the cast list. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

According to this University of Washington site, the Western diamondback rattlesnake is not found in Nevada. (Yeah, I know, and animals can't talk, either, but the movie uses Western animals and doesn't mix in crocodiles or camels; there's internal consistency.) As with specifically "nine-banded" armadillo, I could find no WP:RS source for other than just "armadillo" -- the only websites mentioning "nine-banded" and "Western diamondback" (mostly blogs, unsigned info-aggregate pages and presumably illegal streaming sites offering the movie) appear to have used the uncited list for its information. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:08, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

It seems unlikely that any animal other than the main character would be from anywhere other than the American South West. That all being said, it is both idiotic and infantile to fight about it. Unless there's a definitive source, such as from the script, the DVD, or some other production material, remove all references to what animals they are beyond generic terms. An actor's interview is fine if it's generally undisputed, but isn't concrete since actor's say things they just made up or repeat things they were told much earlier in production all the time. - Kuzain (talk) 20:35, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Rock-Eye can't be a "desert rain frog" as these are distributed only in Southwestern Africa. He's either one of the two spadefoot species or a canyon treefrog. - MfG, K. Grünitz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.150.76.152 (talk) 22:43, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Plot length

WP:FILM's consensus-derived guidelines state that movie plots should be 400 to 700 words, and that top end only for more convoluted plots. The plot here is 1,200 words. That's nearly twice the allowable length. It needs to be severely trimmed. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, but remember that those guidelines are not rules and there is therefore no "allowable" length. The plot can be as long as the community decides it should be on a case by case basis. - Kuzain (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Salaries information

If the movie cost $135 million then what were the actors salaries? I mean what did Johnny Depp get for a salary on this movie? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalstatus (talk • contribs) 18:58, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Typically these details are not disclosed. Actors can be paid a set amount upfront, be paid a percentage of the money a film makes after release, or both. The budget of the film is not the best indicator of how much money a given star made, especially when the film is one likely to do very well at box office. - Kuzain (talk) 20:39, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Live Acted Background scenes?

I think that some of the backgrounds were probably live acted, including the human city scene. The rest is all CGI. Do any of you think the same way? 81.154.86.125 (talk) 22:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Stuff to archive

English:

• http://www.rangomovie.com/main.swf - U.S. and Canada/International
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/uk/main.swf - United Kingdom
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/aa/main.swf - Asia/Pacific
  • http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/aa/newflag_text.swf
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/au/main.swf - Australia
  • http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/au/footer.swf
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/nz/main.swf - New Zealand
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/nl/eng/main.swf - Netherlands

Non-English:

• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/at/main.swf - Austria (German)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/br/main.swf - Brazil (Portuguese)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/ca-fr/main.swf - Canada (French)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/cz/main.swf - Czech Republic and Slovakia (Czech)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/dk/main.swf - Denmark (Danish)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/fi/main.swf - Finland (Finnish)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/fr/main.swf - France, Belgium, and Switzerland (French)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/de/main.swf - Germany and Switzerland (German)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/gr/main.swf - Greece (Greek)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/hu/main.swf - Hungary (Hungarian)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/it/main.swf - Italy and Switzerland (Italian)
• http://www.rango.jp/index.swf - Japan (Japanese)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/kr/main.swf - South Korea (Korean)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/la/main.swf - Latin America (Spanish)
  • http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/la/newflag_text.swf
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/nl/dutch/main.swf - Netherlands (Dutch)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/no/main.swf - Norway (Norwegian)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/pl/main.swf - Poland (Polish)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/pt/main.swf - Portugal (Portuguese)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/ru/main.swf - Russia (Russian)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/es/main.swf - Spain (Spanish)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/se/main.swf - Sweden (Swedish)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/tw/main.swf - Taiwan (Traditional Chinese)
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/tr/main.swf - Turkey (Turkish)

• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/be/ - Belgium redirects to the France and Netherlands sites
• http://www.rangomovie.com/intl/ch/ - Switzerland redirects to the French, German, Italian, and the US/International sites

WhisperToMe (talk) 04:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I understand the good intentions, but this list appears to run afoul of WP:NOTLINKS ("Wikipedia is neither a mirror nor a repository of links, images, or media files.") As well, non-English-language links are generally not included in English-language Wikipedia. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

1. From my understanding, the WIWO "Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files" applies to the main article - If I have to use long lists of links (lists of sources that may/can be used in article, lists of pages to archive so that they can be used for sourcing in the main article, etc.) I post them on the talk page and NOT the main article page. From my understanding, NOTLINKS doesn't apply to talk pages as long as links are posted for the purposes of improving the article.

For instance, if you found a load of sources that may be of use of the subject, but don't have the time or the will to actually use them, it is okay to make a talk page post or a post at the appropriate WikiProject page and list the sources you found, and then another editor can take care of it. As per WP:NOTLINKS Wikipedia articles aren't supposed to become link repositories, but talk pages can have link repositories if the purpose of the repositories is to help improve the article.

2. This is so the robots of web.archive.org can capture all of these links. The robots of web.archive.org may not successfully capture every file, but if you direct link to the SWF files from Wikipedia, web.archive.org will almost certainly capture the traffic. From my understanding web.archive.org robots may have trouble capturing SWF files, so I direct link so that the SWF files are more easily captured.

3. Non-English sites are perfectly acceptable for use on WP:EN, even though English is preferred. There may be exclusive information on non-English websites that may be of use to the English Wikipedia article. Even though Rango is an American movie, there are possibilities that non-English sites can provide additional info (like how it was received abroad or in a particular country, voice actor information that is described in detail by reliable sources)

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Crew

With some of these crew credits, not all the infobox credits are listed. It would make sense to add the names into a production section if they had notable coverage for working on this film. I don't know if anyone else thinks it would be worth it. BOVINEBOY2008 00:00, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you were right the first time; my addition of a crew section was redundant with the infobox. Good call.

The box has all the major credits except production designer, which is a pretty important position and we might want to add it. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Have you come across any articles about him? Otherwise, we might be overstepping WP:INHERIT. I'll do some looking. BOVINEBOY2008 00:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Priscilla

According to the supplemental material, Priscilla is actually an aye-aye, not a mouse. (I thought she was a 'possum.) WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 22:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

But according to Scholastic Publishing, an [[WP:RS|RS] if ever there were one, she's a a cactus mouse. As I noted at User talk:TenPoundHammer, I guess we should do what we do when different RS cites give conflicting information, as sometimes happen with celebrities' birth dates: Say "... X [cite] or Y [cite] (sources differ)."

However, given that an aye aye is an African animal, and that the film crew on the DVD aren't necessarily naturalists, if we're going to cite that DVD commentary we need to cite exactly who is claiming this and provide a timestamp. Otherwise it's like citing a book without a page number. Just saying "the DVD commentary" isn't enough. We need to know who is making this claim about an African animal being in the movie.--Tenebrae (talk) 04:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's a bit of trivial, common-sense OR... Priscilla's eyes face forward, unlike that of mice, which aim roughly to the sides. Therefore, she cannot be a cactus mouse. The color and size of her eyes are a lot like an aye-aye's. And that's where the resemblance ends. Her ears are tiny, unlike either a cactus mouse's or an aye-aye's. And her nose bears little resemblance to either animal's. Conclusion? Priscilla is CGI Frankenfauna, created simply to look weird. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:54, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Themes Request

Esteemed film buffs and film study scientists, I humbly request the Themes portion included into the article. The postmodernist qualities of the film go way beyond quips from movie critics (who cast as short a glance on the movie as they could), and I think should be researched (or quoted) accordingly.

The first and foremost are this film's parallels with every "film within a film" movies ever made, more specifically "theater within a film" movies, like Tom Stoppard's. There is at least an undeniable arc with the "fourth wall" being bluntly painted on the screen surface itself, and No-Name Clint Eastwood appearing decisively not just for laughs. This is a smart and subtle commentary on film, contemporary culture and the nature of fiction, and it should not be dismissed as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.73.7.61 (talk) 18:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

We'll need reliable sources about such themes, and in my experience, it takes time for there to be that kind of retrospective coverage. There does not appear to be anything in Google Books or Scholar Search that could be used. Hate to say it, but it may be a couple of years before we see Rango studied, and even that is not guaranteed. Erik (talk | contribs) 19:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Gerudo Valley?

Isn't Rango set in Gerudo Valley? Can someone know about this? --Tyranitar Man (talk) 04:20, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit-warring IP

A persistent anon IP today has been adding incorrect credits to the infobox. The screen credit breaks down into "Story by" and "Screenplay by" credits per the onscreen credits and such secondary sources as the credits at the film-industry magazine Film Journal International. I'd like to ask other editors to keep an eye out for his edit-warring IP. I will notify him on his talk page.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:50, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 December 2011

Under the heading "development" after the sentence ending in "the abyss", add the phrase: It's plot is loosely based on a film directed by Robert Redford in 1988 called "The Milagro Beanfield War" and even mimicks some of the main characters.

24.203.40.154 (talk) 02:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 03:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 14 December 2011

wiki user hello and see that the nominations should renew the film has Cralb821 (talk) 19:56, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Uh, what?--Jac16888 ^Talk 20:11, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

CC of posts at Talk:Cralb821

[Following "Welcome" templates] One note: Please do not blanket-revert without discussing on an article's talk page. This can be considered edit-warring. Your blanket-revert at Rango (2011 film) goes against consensus discussion on various WP:FILM talk pages and violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It's understood that this account is new and has only bee editing since December, and that there are many Wikipedia guidelines and policies to take in. The overall rule is to collaborate rather than be contentious. Thank you for understanding, and Happy Wiki'ing. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:14, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

You need to please stop cluttering Rango (2011 film) with every non-notable regional award nomination. The Houston Film Critics, for instance, is not a major arts and cultural group by any means. Virtually state and many geographic regions have film critics groups. Only a few of these are notable; per WP:INDISCRIMINATE, we don't list two or three dozen essentially meaningless minor awards in movie articles. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:34, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Box office success

what do you mean by box office success? A box office success makes twice amount of how much is spent isn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.96.2 (talk) 20:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

That's the traditional rule of thumb, to account for P&A (prints and advertising) costs. With digital projection now, though, I'm not sure that rule still holds, since in those cases — and soon it'll all be digital projection outside of small art-house theaters and such — there are no print costs, shipping costs, or insurance costs. Anyone know if there's an updated rule of thumb? --Tenebrae (talk) 21:16, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Priscilla again

Verbinski and co. are well aware that aye-ayes don't exist in the U.S. They even say that in the commentary — they were looking for interesting animals, not necessarily ones that are native to the setting. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Agree. While I don't think Priscilla looks anything like an aye-aye (perhaps Verbinski was kidding, or talking about something he wanted to do but didn't, or perhaps the animator couldn't bring himself to draw an African primate in the American Southwest), I'm still completely with TenPoundHammer in supporting that the cast listing give it both ways, with WP:RS cites, as it does now. This way, users are aware that a disagreement exists between the director and a science magazine, and can examine the issue for themselves. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I do not agree with listing both. Make your decision guys: Is it a cactus mouse or an aye-aye? Even a baby can tell rodent and a primate apart; it does not take a science team. And a source that cannot do that is not a reliable source. If however, the issue is proved to be difficult to resolve, then it merits including a screenshot of Priscilla. But an encyclopedia will lose its credibility if it cannot tell a mouse and a lemur apart. Fleet Command (talk) 16:22, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree with your reasoning, and I believe It's clearly a mouse. But apparently Verbinksi says differently in the commentary — which brings up a point I hadn't considered before: I'd like to see a transcription of his exact quote, since it's possible that whoever put that footnote in misheard it or that Verbinksi was joking or any number of possibilities.. Without the exact quote, we don't really know.--Tenebrae (talk) 01:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I added quotes from the DVD. Verbinski explicitly states that Crash McCreery, who designed the characters, made her an aye-aye. Donald Schultz of Animal Planet even gives a few facts about aye-ayes, which I don't think he'd have done if Verbinski were joking. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:49, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Great addition of the quotes! I have to say, it still looks nothing like an aye-aye (to my-eye) but that information sure seems to come from the horse's mouth. We might want to put the Scholastic reference within the aye-aye footnote and say something like, "Some sources, such as Scholastic [link to site] had contended it was a cactus mouse." If we acknowledge that, it should hopefully prevent anyone from adding cactus mouse in again thinking no one had seen the Scholastic or similar references. Bravo on some good detective work! Though if you could add the timestamps for the starts of those quotes, that would be great — like page numbers for a book.--Tenebrae (talk) 04:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Why is everyone still arguing overt the fact that she's an aye-aye. Crash Mccreery or the team that made the movie said the concept design and look for Priscilla is a aye-aye.DisneyGirlovestacos1995 (talk) 00:34, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Because the footnote gives the pertinent quote: ""She represents one of the strangest looking creatures on our planet. She's not from the desert or the United States at all[…]" Verbinski: "[Character designer] Crash [McCreery] went and did the research and found the aye-aye[…]which doesn't really belong in this particular desert." Another high-RS source, Scholastic, says differently. And not everyone thinks the character looks like an aye-aye. You do. Other editors don't. So all we can do is give the two alternate claims without editorial comment, accompanied by the verbatim quote without interpreting it. We can't add our own personal interpretations of what we assume someone is saying. Do we actually have to call for an RfC on this? Because I truly don't believe there will be a community consensus saying it's OK for anyone to put their personal interpretation here. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:59, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

And may I add, we're dealing with an WP:UNCIVIL and belligerent editor who believes it's OK to use edit summaries such as this: "(YOU Know What just SHUT UP!)" --Tenebrae (talk) 16:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

GET THIS YOU PUT A SOCK IN IT YOU JERK> :( DisneyGirlovestacos1995 (talk) 20:25, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Here's a bit of trivial, common-sense OR... Priscilla's eyes face forward, unlike that of mice, which aim roughly to the sides. Therefore, she cannot be a cactus mouse. The color and size of her eyes are a lot like an aye-aye's. And that's where the resemblance ends. Her ears are tiny, unlike either a cactus mouse's or an aye-aye's. And her nose bears little resemblance to either animal's. Conclusion? Priscilla is CGI Frankenfauna, created simply to look weird. WilliamSommerwerck (talk) 14:57, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Okay people Priscilla, is just a mouse but with the look and design based on an Aye-Aye, do you have to say she is a Frankenfauna or Aye-Aye for once?--50.171.11.116 (talk) 02:43, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Don Quixote

Roadkill the Armadillo is clearly drawn to be Don Quixote, with his helmet, his lance, his moustachios, but the conversation on the commentary track from the director and his cohorts fails to say anything about it. Varlaam (talk) 06:11, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Real de Catorce

Real de Catorce is inexplicably thanked in the end credits. It is the Mexican town in San Luis Potosí notable for its hillsides where peyote grows free for the picking. Varlaam (talk) 06:20, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Inspiration?

Was this movie in any way inspired by the sitcom Rango? 24.212.139.102 (talk) 13:35, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Missing points (I don't have sources ready)

"Rango" rhymes with "Django", which is one of the old spaghetti westerns.

The music is obviously inspired by Ennio Morricone's spaghetti western music (He did not, however make the music for "Django"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.44.138.159 (talk) 13:28, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Without reliable sources, there is nothing to discuss here. - SummerPhD^v2.0 01:06, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Further hommage

While watching the film (for the first time) on DVD today, it struck me that the scene in which the water cooler bottle – retrieved from the moles and chased (with an hommage to the Death Star dogfight from Star Wars) – is eventually overturned, revealing it to be full of sand, was a further hommage to the near-end of Mad Max 2. If a reliable source for that could be found I suggest it would merit inclusion. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.138.194 (talk) 07:53, 27 March 2019 (UTC)