Talk:Ratched (TV series)
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First name or last name?
editThe episode summaries are a little haphazard as far as first name vs last name goes. For my own edits, I tried to follow the convention already established, but should we be favoring one over the other? Efalk (talk) 00:59, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Production codes
editAlex 21,
Per MOS:TVEPISODE, there is nothing wrong with adding production codes. They are all on the end credits of each episode. — YoungForever(talk) 18:30, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- TVEPISODE says it can be included, not that it must. What information do the production codes for this series provide that is not already present in the article? -- /Alex/21 02:05, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- The production codes are for identifying episodes for the series. When a TV series have production codes, it is a common practice to include them on the episode table. Also, this is only the first season we don't know about the second season (when it was order to series, Netflix gave a two-season order). — YoungForever(talk) 02:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- There's no information for the second season yet, so that's trivial for the current situation. The episodes can easily be identified through their episodic numbers, as they match the order of production. -- /Alex/21 03:01, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I saw your posts here. It's exactly the same as Talk:Lovecraft Country (TV series)#Production codes; it add no further understanding to the article, they serve as trivial numbers without additional meaning. -- /Alex/21 14:51, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree. Not the same thing. — YoungForever(talk) 15:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- How do the two articles differ in the case of production codes, then? Are they not both series where the production order is the same as the episodic release/airing order? -- /Alex/21 23:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- The production codes are longer than 3 digits. Yes, but there isn't anything wrong to include that on the Episode table. — YoungForever(talk) 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- That doesn't change anything. What do these codes add that are not already in the article? There's zero need for duplicate information. If it's just information for the same of being information, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- /Alex/21 00:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- MOS:TV never explicitly states that production codes are frown upon when they are aired/released in order. I don't see it as duplicated information. Production codes are production codes and episode numbers are episode numbers. Production codes are not exactly the same thing as episode numbers. — YoungForever(talk) 18:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- And it never explicitly states they have to be included. MOS's never micromanage these sorts of things, it boils down to common sense. Episode and production numbers have the same meaning, displaying an order to the episodes. In this case, that order is the same. -- /Alex/21 00:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- Agree to disagree. It has nothing to do with common sense. And MOS:TV never explicitly states must include production codes because not every TV series have production codes. Yes, I am aware that production codes are optional. But, so is everything on the Episode table, but we don't go around removing directors, writers, or airdates (when they are reliably sourced or have been aired/released) just because they are optional. — YoungForever(talk) 18:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- The directors, writers, or airdates are all a unique combination to each episode. The order is already given in the first column and doesn't need repeating. -- /Alex/21 01:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
- Agree to disagree. It has nothing to do with common sense. And MOS:TV never explicitly states must include production codes because not every TV series have production codes. Yes, I am aware that production codes are optional. But, so is everything on the Episode table, but we don't go around removing directors, writers, or airdates (when they are reliably sourced or have been aired/released) just because they are optional. — YoungForever(talk) 18:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- And it never explicitly states they have to be included. MOS's never micromanage these sorts of things, it boils down to common sense. Episode and production numbers have the same meaning, displaying an order to the episodes. In this case, that order is the same. -- /Alex/21 00:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
- MOS:TV never explicitly states that production codes are frown upon when they are aired/released in order. I don't see it as duplicated information. Production codes are production codes and episode numbers are episode numbers. Production codes are not exactly the same thing as episode numbers. — YoungForever(talk) 18:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- That doesn't change anything. What do these codes add that are not already in the article? There's zero need for duplicate information. If it's just information for the same of being information, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- /Alex/21 00:19, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- The production codes are longer than 3 digits. Yes, but there isn't anything wrong to include that on the Episode table. — YoungForever(talk) 19:11, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- How do the two articles differ in the case of production codes, then? Are they not both series where the production order is the same as the episodic release/airing order? -- /Alex/21 23:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- I disagree. Not the same thing. — YoungForever(talk) 15:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- The production codes are for identifying episodes for the series. When a TV series have production codes, it is a common practice to include them on the episode table. Also, this is only the first season we don't know about the second season (when it was order to series, Netflix gave a two-season order). — YoungForever(talk) 02:41, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Most of the episodes were only written by Ian Brennan or Evan Romansky with Jennifer Salt co-writing 2 episodes. A code from a TV series that contains mixture of 6 letters and numbers are not the same thing as episode number. Production codes are unique in their own ways. — YoungForever(talk) 17:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- I'll just wait for the WT discussion to continue, there's no point in having the same discussion in two locations. It's clear a consensus is building against them. -- /Alex/21 01:27, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
- There isn't a clear consensus yet as the discussion still going on FYI. — YoungForever(talk) 17:18, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Music
editI've added Bernard Herrmann as uncredited composer for this. Not sure if that's the correct way of doing it. But I strongly think it should be included in some way. Long passages from Cape Fear, the unused score for Torn Curtain, and Psycho are used throughout the series. And the rest of the score is based on the same. [1] Tengilorg (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- If they are uncredited, they shouldn't in the parameter. We don't even add uncredited cast members, executive producers, producers, writers, and directors. Herrmann composed for Cape Fear, nor Ratched though. In addition, the PopSugar article never explicitly said that he composed for Ratched though. — YoungForever(talk) 18:40, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
Award nomination
editHorror
editNetflix categorises this series under horror (in the UK anyway), and it appears in their annual Halloween collection. Although I would personally consider this a proper horror (it's a campy psychological drama with macabre elements), Netflix's own categorisation I think should be regarded as official. 2A00:23C7:ED16:2401:1D3A:2C81:BF76:9B2E (talk) 00:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)