Talk:Red Devil (interurban)

I have added a railbox - and a link to tram because tram, not trolley or streetcar, is the main Wikipedian word for this item. Pål Jensen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pål Jensen (talk • contribs) 09:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Weight - 22 or 42 tons

I got to this article via a recent edit to High-speed rail#The high-speed interurbans. An interesting article, but most of the units were only in metric, for what is an American subject, and for which the original sources would almost certainly have used non-metric units.

In the process of adding {{convert}} tags, I noted that the weight quoted from J.L.Koffmann 1980 was "22 tons", but it was unclear which type (considering that most quantities were metric). I tried checking the other 3 web sources to no avail, and then found the "Lehigh Valley Transit Company Information" website with "The Red Devils were 43'9" long, 11'4" high and weighed 42 tons" (so probably 42 short tons).

At the moment, I've left both values in, and assumed "22 tonnes" for the Koffmann. Not particularly desirable, and I suppose I should have added a {{clarification needed}} tag. On second thoughts, I've now added "{{clarification needed|reason=22 disagrees with LeHigh and type of tons (t, ST or LT) unclear}}" tag to Koffmann's "22 tons". Tim PF (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

The bigger Bullet (interurban) weighed 26 tons, according to William D. Middleton. He does not mention any weight for the Red Devils, but claims (like other sources) that it was a lightweight interurban. And 42 tons was not lightweight at that time. Therefore, I think 22 tons is correct. Pål Jensen, 19. May, 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pål Jensen (talk • contribs) 14:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)