Talk:Reuse of bottles

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Reference Broken

Reference #3 to the American Cancer Society is a broken link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Quixotism22 (talk • contribs) 18:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

•   - Stillwaterising (talk) 09:19, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

All types of bottles

This article is currently titled "Reuse of water bottles". This limitation is not realistic: it relates to the reuse of all types of bottles and contents. The title should read "Reuse of bottles". or even "Reuse of packages". Rlsheehan (talk) 14:32, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

This article should be removed

This article has no reliable sources, nor am I able to find any that I think could be considered WP:V after searching online. I think this article should be deleted, but I'm new to Wikipedia, so don't think I should start this procedure myself. Dm20 (talk) 14:19, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Oppose: I watched the documentary Bag It (film) and it showed how in Europe, plastic bottles are collected, washed and refilled. The documentarian showed one bottle in Hamburg, Germany that had been marked as being reused 22 times! I searched, and I found this website called Western Europe's Experience with Refillable Beverage Containers, Institute for Local Self-Reliance, retrieved 2012-09-18 that is a starting point for finding much more information this topic.

Hopefully this can get the ball rolling on building this article up so this webpage should be growing soon. Then it could be suggested to possibly WP:Move this article to a more broader title, perhaps "Reuse of plastic bottles"? - Stillwaterising (talk) 08:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved to "Reuse of bottles". I think "beverage containers" is too fancy, and "bottles is sufficient. You can always revert the move or start a new request if you disagree. DrKiernan (talk) 16:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

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Reuse of water bottles → Reuse of plastic bottles – I think that this article is already growing beyond the resuse of plastic water bottle controversy into an article about reusing platic bottles in general. I thought about the name Reuse of beverage containers however that would include glass bottles, which would overlap existing content and be overly-broad. Reuse of plastic containers may also be a consideration. Stillwaterising (talk) 21:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

• Support beverage container reuse - Both in practice and as the title. ;) The lede pic is glass and I think other materials are also common in non-U.S. countries. Out of interest, why do we have a beverage can article but no beverage container or beverage bottle article? I might work on the container one tonight if ever. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 06:15, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Outdated source from NZFSA

I found the article that several other articles referred to. Based on how long ago this article was written and the fact that it has now been removed from their website, I do not think this should be considered a source that meets WP:SCIRS#Use_up-to-date_evidence:

• "Reuse of Plastic Bottles". New Zealand Food Safety Authority. 2004-08-08. {{cite web}}: |archive-url= requires |url= (help); Missing or empty |url= (help)

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Stillwaterising (talk) 09:14, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Disguised advertising ?

It seems to me that this article is only made to promote water bottles industry, saying that it is dangerous for people to reuse bottles, and having lots of links pointing to it. To protect consumers, industry has to respect strict cleaning and sealing norms, which are not required for short-time domestic use. But this is common to all types of packaging of food and drink. Putting water into any type of bottle (including reusable ones like SIGG) may be considered as a type of "food preservation", nothing differs with water or plastic bottles, the main parameter is time. Moreover, sealed food and drink containers expose the consumer to other health risks if he doesn't clean thoroughly the exterior of the container before using it, especially when directly drinking with the container, or when food can touch part of the exterior. This is surely described elsewhere on Wikipedia. -- Zagadka (talk) 00:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.83.189.130 (talk)

Parts of this article are lifted from an industry site. http://www.plasticsinfo.org/beveragebottles/apc_faqs.html#6 Tim (talk) 05:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Possible WP:COPYVIO issues found

I ran the Duplication Detector between the current revision and the URL named above. The results are here. The tool found 4 sections of text that are copied from the site without quotations or attribution. I am not experienced in how to deal with this issue and will be asking for help on how to deal with this. - Stillwaterising (talk)

I added Template:Copypaste to the header. This should get the article on the watchlist for assistance. - Stillwaterising (talk) 23:06, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I went throught and added refs and quotes to all copy-pasted phrases. I went through history and found this diff that added the copy-paste content. The same user added a ref with correct source a few minutes later (here). . - Stillwaterising (talk) 00:18, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

title

This is now called Reuse of Bottles. A better title is Reusable Bottles. Pkgx (talk) 01:35, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

safety

Volvic water bottles advise against refilling, at least here in the UK. I refilled one anyway, and lived to scan the label from it (UPC number 3057640136993), if it's any use I can add it to the article? Mongoosander (talk) 02:25, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Removed section on health-concerns

I leave a copy below, but I removed the whole section health concerns, because, uhm, it doesn't seem to be anything about reusable bottles in the first place. There's stuff about aluminium (without indication where aluminium is widely used for reusable bottles), bacterial concerns (which are irrelevant due to the cleaning process for industrially reused bottles), etc. As said, text below. Feel free to restore and discuss in detail if you think this was too bold. --denny vrandečić (talk) 20:58, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

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Health and safety concerns associated with reusable bottles

Bacterial concerns

Reusable bottles can hold bacteria. Drinking from a reusable bottle can transfer bacteria from a person's mouth to the beverage it contains, which can contaminate both bottle and water. Contamination can cause bacterial or fungal growth in the liquid while it's stored. It is recommend that users clean reusable drinking bottles thoroughly before each use. Users should take care to wash the bottle cap as well after each use for proper sanitation.

Some experts state that there's generally no harm in reusing your own drinking bottle, but the risk for ingesting harmful bacteria increases if you share your bottle with others. University of Nebraska Medical Center Microbiologist Pete Iwen, Ph.D., says, “If it’s my bottle, my germs, I probably would not be all that paranoid about reusing the bottle. The main issue occurs when sharing bottles. Microbes present in my mouth may be harmful to others.”

Chemical concerns

Plastic drinking bottles often contain the chemical Bisphenol A (BPA), which is made from polycarbonate and which shares resin identification code 7 with other plastics. Another chemical found in plastic drinking bottles is phthalate. Both of these chemicals are controversial because they are known endocrine disruptors, which can interfere with the body's hormonal system.

A study by the Harvard School of Public Health (HSPH) found that participants who drank from polycarbonate bottles – which is the plastic commonly used in disposable plastic water bottles, other plastic drinking bottles, and baby bottles – for just one week showed a two-thirds increase in their urine of the chemical BPA. Exposure to BPA has been shown to interfere with reproductive development in animals and has been linked with cardiovascular disease and diabetes in humans. The study is the first to show that drinking from polycarbonate bottles increased the level of urinary BPA, and thus suggests that drinking containers made with BPA release the chemical into the liquid they contain, which people then consume. The amount of BPA consumed as a result of drinking from plastic bottles was enough to increase the level of BPA excreted in the urine of the people who drank from those containers.

Several countries have banned the use of plastics containing BPA used for water and other food items. Leaching of phthalates from PVC (resin identification code 3) is also a concern, but PVC is no longer used for water bottles.

Another common material used to make reusable drinking bottles is aluminum. However, aluminum also has health safety concerns. A study by the U.S. National Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health found that aluminum levels were over 20-times higher in the elderly than in middle aged people. The study cited a correlation between aluminum levels and “densities of senile plaques and neurofibrillary tangles.” Furthermore, it found that lowering the amount of brain aluminum by using chelation was shown to slow the progression of Alzheimer's Disease. This is an argument in favor or lessening the amount of aluminum that the body is exposed to, hence making it a less favorable material for reusable drinking bottles.

Carcinogen misconception

A university student's master's thesis incorrectly suggested that repeatedly rewashing plastic water bottles can lead to the leaking diethylhydroxylamine (DEHA) into the drinking water, and can be detrimental to human health. The results of this research were repeated by various sources and also became a chain email, later declared to be a hoax.

The American Cancer Society and Cancer Research UK have stated that DEHA is not present in plastic water bottles; even if it were, it is not a known carcinogen.

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