Talk:Rihanna

Latest comment: 20 days ago by 184.145.12.39 in topic Genres
Good articleRihanna has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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October 12, 2011Peer reviewReviewed
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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on September 1, 2020.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Rihanna was asked to stay at the Def Jam Recordings office until 3:00 a.m. in order to sign a contract, so that she would not sign with another label?
Current status: Good article

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Could someone add that she is a "songwriter" in the beginning of the biography? She has writing credits in almost half of her discography and that seems like an appropriate and accurate thing to add. Julioplantain (talk) 07:27, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

@Julioplantain: Adding it to the lede may require further discussions since Rihanna is not highly regarded as a songwriter (and some editors would object), but I made sure to re-add it to the infobox where its inclusion is totally justified. The article mentions her songwriting, and she currently has 138 songwriting credits. Only problem is, certain editors sometimes remove it from the infobox based on personal feelings. FMSky has days ago removed it from the infobox because they feel it's "disrespectful to the people actually writing her songs."[1] That kind of POV is not encyclopedic at all, and we already went though that when debating whether or not Beyoncé should be presented as a songwriter. Besides, they cannot prove all of Rihanna's 138 credits were stolen, and it's not the first time they make such edits.

@BD2412 and Popcornfud: Would you agree that "disrespectful to the people actually writing her songs" is pure POV? It's like someone claiming Kendrick Lamar is a real songwriter, while Drake is not; Lady Gaga is a real songwriter, while Madonna is not... I'm afraid such personal opinions don't belong on here. Israell (talk) 01:13, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

  • I will put it this way. I see someone like Roy Banks, who played two undistinguished seasons in the NFL in the 1980s, after having been a fifth-round draft pick, and marked no stats, and no one is suggesting that "American football wide receiver" be removed from his description out of respect for "the people actually receiving the ball". BD2412 T 02:03, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
    • @FMSky: As explained by the admin just above, based on WP:Verifiability, the content of this encyclopedia is based on sourced information (138 songwriting credits, conformation of collaborative songwriting, awards, etc.) rather than one's personal opinion (of the worthiness of the songwriting of an artist, etc.). The lede is for the primary most notable professions, whereas the infobox is for the primary and secondary most known or notable professions. On that note, Rihanna was one of the songwriters nominated for composing the song "Lift Me Up" at the 2022 Golden Globes Awards.[1] That song also won five awards.[2] Israell (talk) 17:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Israell: No, actually you would need a source that specifically calls her a "songwriter", anything else is WP:OR --FMSky (talk) 01:00, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Being "disrespectful to people writing the songs" or whatever isn't a valid reason to say she is or isn't a songwriter — but neither is a personal assessment about her work.
We go by reliable sources. If numerous reliable sources describe her as a songwriter then I'd support the inclusion in the infobox, but if not let's leave it out. The infobox should describe main roles. Popcornfud (talk) 12:28, 21 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
In addition to the aforementioned sources, here are more sources referring to Rihanna as a songwriter: [2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10]. Israell (talk) 05:28, 22 August 2024 (UTC)Reply

Remove an unnecessary reference to "going to a hotel room"

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  • What I think should be changed (format using {{textdiff}}):

I would recommend a change from "Rihanna went to Rogers's hotel room, where she performed renditions" to "Rihanna performed renditions" Sorry that I cannot find info on what tl|textdiff is.

  • Why it should be changed:

Where the renditions occurred is irrelevant. The wording seems to imply maybe something vaguely inappropriate? But it doesn't make that implication explicit, so it ends up seeming irrelevant.

  • References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Leadbuffalo (talk) 05:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Done Reworded to "Rihanna later performed renditions of Destiny's Child's "Emotion" and Mariah Carey's "Hero"." Clearfrienda 💬 16:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2024

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Change the genre order from Pop, R&B, dance, hip hop reggae to R&B, pop, reggae, hip hop, dance as they are sourced in that order and also remove electronic as that is NOT sourced anywhere in the article. Justinaintime (talk) 05:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talkcontribs) 06:25, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree with Justinaintime. There is a lack of sources in the infobox for certain genres. Unless adequate sources are found and displayed in the info box, then they should be removed as per WP: EXPLICITGENRE Koppite1 (talk) 08:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Great for @Koppite1: to agree with sockpuppets of banned users. This request was clearly written by a sock puppet of User: MariaJaydHicky, just like User: Shaneyshady who made this same request on the article's talk page days ago. Do not follow their requests DollysOnMyMind (talk) 14:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Unless the mods/admin declared the account as a socket puppet, then i see no reason to discount what they are saying. Certain genres in the infobox lack sources. Especially genres where Rihanna is not particularly known for, such as reggae - this should have sources to back this up as per r WP: EXPLICITGENRE Koppite1 (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I wanted to inform you that I have reported the suspected sock puppet. For your information, @DollysOnMyMind, if you suspect an editor of being a sock puppet, please make sure to report it. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 08:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
They're a sock. WP:RBI. Girth Summit (blether) 10:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah, jings, they're both socks. Sock on sock genre warfare - what a way to spend a morning. Girth Summit (blether) 11:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 June 2024

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Change the genres to include reggae, she had two albums with reggae on them, she started off as a reggae singer and her artistry section it is sourced countless times as being one of her prominent genres. So why is it not included? 109.144.20.125 (talk) 20:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

okay whatever, added --FMSky (talk) 21:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would strongly advise igoring any requests from IPs on this talk page for the next few days. There are two site banned and globally locked users, each of whom jump frequently between different IP ranges, edit warring by proxy on this and a number of other pages. We may end up protecting the talk pages, but for now let's just take any new edit requests with a pinch of salt. Girth Summit (blether) 23:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 June 2024

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Add reggae and dancehall into her genres as they are sourced and the article states that she returned to her reggae and dancehall roots during her Loud and Talk That Talk albums. Partyymixx (talk) 10:57, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: It's evident you're a sock, so I will decline your request. Don't keep pestering the talk page. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 19:11, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Excuse me @Btspurplegalaxy, I'm not, if you go through the history you will see reggae has always been sourced, why DollysOnMyMind removed it is beyond me and it should be reinstated as that was removed by a sock edit Partyymixx (talk) 19:16, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Your actions suggest otherwise. It won't be done, so please stop asking. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 19:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
But it's sourced in the article as she is a reggae singer, so clearly it should be re-added? Partyymixx (talk) 19:20, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not going to keep repeating myself. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 19:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Neither am I but, if you were to read the article and stop being stubborn, you would see it calls her a reggae singer and it should be included in her genre section Partyymixx (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Partners

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How come the partners section of the infobox does not mention Drake? He's by far her most relevant partner. 2804:1B3:6B03:E777:7E4B:F14B:7600:F963 (talk) 23:41, 27 June 2024 (UTC)Reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 July 2024

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I'd like to edit this source because I like editing sources on Wikipedia. Maurice20111 (talk) 03:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you. Ligaturama (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)Reply

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 September 2024

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In the artistry section under influences it states that during childhood Rihanna use to sing Whitney Houston songs and Houston's song "I Will Always Love You" made her develop a passion for music, but it doesn't state how Whitney Houston influenced her like it states Madonna and Mariah Carey influenced her, it just states that she use to sing Whitney Houston songs I wanted to add that Rihanna was also inspired by Whitney Houston as well and also add that Houston's song "I Will Always Love You" influenced her to do music as with citations. Wikikingeditor (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rainsage (talk) 23:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

Genres

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Rihanna is and always has been a pop artist besides an R&B artist, so the music genres in the infobox should be either "Pop, dance, and R&B" or "Pop, R&B, and dance", not "R&B, pop, and dance", even AllMusic confirms she's a pop artist: https://www.allmusic.com/artist/rihanna-mn0000367188 AndrewTheWikiEditor (talk) 22:44, 20 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

AllMusic also states she does EDM and dancehall but you conveniently forgot to mention that didn’t you? There all all other genres that are sourced throughout her page such as hip hop, dubstep, and reggae why didn’t you mention them too? 78.190.123.200 (talk) 09:49, 21 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
what about reggae? 184.145.12.39 (talk) 22:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)Reply