Talk:Robert Kardashian

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His daughter is Kim Kardashian, friend of Paris Hilton: It is now mentioned in the article, see the "See also" section.

it is mentioned in the article under biography 72.137.92.174 (talk) 19:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Link #3 does not work.

Neutrality

The last portion of this article seems to be to be on the controversial side. I didn't change it myself, but instead am seeking input as to the article's neutrality. Jamesrnorwood (talk) 04:35, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Since the statement that concerns you was added by an anonymous editor five minutes before your edit, it seems to me that it would have been easier to simply undo the paragraph rather than take the circuitous route you chose. Since Abibliophobic has already reverted the vandalism, I'm going to be bold and remove the pov-check tag. If you have other issues concerning the article's neutrality, feel free to address them specifically.Buck O'Nollege 02:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Lamar Odom and Scott Disick

The thought of adding all known/notable relatives/descendants to every article of someone, no matter how unrelated they are or how dead the article's subject might be, is awfully daunting. Robert Kardashian never met Odom or Disick and probably never even knew either existed. In addition, as of this writing, Disick is not married to Kourtney Kardashian, so even by relaxed standards, he is not related to Robert Kardashian. Finally, I'm not sure if there's consensus or established WP policy anywhere as to whether or not relatives can be listed on a person's article even if that person died long before those relatives appeared, but I doubt there is and would appreciate seeing it before Odom and Disick are relisted. Listing them as relatives simply does not make sense. Any input is welcome. Şłџğģő 21:42, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree adding ALL known relatives could be daunting but, these are pretty close in relation to him, its not like either of these people are fifth cousins by marriage, one of the people MASON Disick (not SCOTT) is this man's grandson. Do you think Kourtney will talk about her dad being just "Robert Kardashian" to her son, no, she will call him Mason's grandpa.138.88.184.187 (talk) 00:21, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

To reiterate, Robert Kardashian is dead. We're talking actual definitions here, not what his daughter thinks. While I don't really care about these people, I should point out that it's likely the kid will consider Bruce Jenner his maternal grandfather. Şłџğģő 15:11, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

A couple of questions for you, Sluggo. Is Robert Kardashian the father of Kourtney Kardashian? Is Kourtney Kardashian the mother of Mason Disick? If the answer to both of these questions are yes then Robert Kardashian is Mason Disick's grandfather regardless of the fact that Robert Kardashian is dead. Also, is Robert Kardashian Khloe Kardashian's father? Is Lamar Odom Khloe Kardashian's husband? If the answer to both of these questions are yes then Robert Kardashian is Lamar Odom's father-in-law regardless of the fact that Robert Kardashian is dead. Also, I think we are living in a time where people have more than four grandparents and more than two in-laws so I think its important to honor those relationships whether these people are living or dead.65.202.233.8 (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Notability

I can not see any notability of this article,the author wrote about the life of person maybe because of his daughter but has not explain his importance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lafleure355 (talk • contribs) 16:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

He is 100% notable due to his involvement in the OJ Simpson murder trial. 2601:84:C801:1AB0:4016:C0BD:1C35:E304 (talk) 19:06, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

1) You're responding to a comment made 5 years ago. 2) See WP:BLP1E. Without commenting on whether or not Kardashian is in fact notable, his participation in a single event generally cannot be used alone to establish notability. General Ization ^Talk 19:16, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

1) There is no "deadline" to respond to the question of notability - or to any talk page entry.

2) (WP:BLP1E) does not apply

See (WP:BIO1E), which states:

"WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of living people, or those who have recently died"

A single event generally can be used to establish notability of a person who is not a living person.

(WP:BIO1E) is the applicable policy. The guideline you have cited is merely an exception to that general policy.

The applicable policy's criteria is qualitative (nature of participation in an event) - rather than quantitative (number of events).

If Kardashian's role did not satisfy the applicable criteria, that policy would have been applied.

Instead, you've effectively conceded his notability would be established had he played the same role in two events.

Hence, "Without commenting" you do not deny the notability of the nature of his participation in the event; but merely avoid acknowledging in good faith he was notable.

(there were two options here: remove the reply I'm addressing from the talk page entirely; or identify the reasons both objections are invalid and irrelevant.

IMO their reply's lack of relevance warrants deletion. I will leave it to the next editor to do so.

I will reply directly to the suggestion Kardashian's participation in Simpson's trial is "100%" notable, by adding information supporting that why that suggestion is valid (a little later today)

I will also reply directly to the section's original question of notability. (also a little later today)

...Kardashian's notability is far more significant than that one single event or even his children's lives after his death - the article currently only hints at it despite having been thoroughly documented. Pimprncess (talk) 22:49, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Paragraph Deleted

I deleted this paragraph:

After Kardashian divorced his first wife, Kris, Robert asked Denice Shakarian Halicki (owner of the Gone in 60 Seconds Movie Franchise) to marry him in Vail, Colorado, on their Thanksgiving Vacation in 1990, amongst his children and close friends. Denice said "yes" and they were engaged. They were married for seven years, before divorcing.

It was poorly written and completely unsourced. I tried a search on Denise Halicki and found many sources about her and only one flimsy 'who are they dating' sort of website where it stated they dated, but were not engaged or married.Mylittlezach (talk) 21:07, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

• Good catch. Sources say that Kardashian and Denice Halicki were engaged and lived together,[1] but as far as the sources I can find, they didn't get married;[2]; a Los Angeles magazine article asserts that their engagement "crumbled" under the stress of the O.J. case.[3]--Arxiloxos (talk) 02:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

What is a "jumper"

The article contains this sentence: "His great-grandparents, Sam and Harom Kardaschoff, were ethnic Armenian Molokan "Jumpers" from Karakale, Kars, Russian Empire (now Turkey)."

What does "jumper" mean in this context? Does it mean immigrant? If so is there some reason the word, immigrant, wasn't used? The word is used once more in the article without the quotes and without explanation. I don't know of any definition of the word "jumper" that makes sense here. Dictionary.com listed five different definitions for the word, none of which seemed to apply here.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Davefoc (talk • contribs) 23:48, 10 February 2013‎ (UTC)

The bio says that Robert Kardashian died of esophageal cancer. Did he smoke?

The bio says that Robert Kardashian died of esophageal cancer. Did he smoke? If not, did they know where he got the cancer from?Betathetapi545 (talk) 09:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Family famous?

I would question the statement that his family "achieved fame after his death". I don't know that the Kardashian tribe could be called famous. Infamous, notorious, or media celebrities perhaps.Royalcourtier (talk) 19:11, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Per wikipedia neutrality guidelines "fame" and "famous" are neutral terms.

"Infamous" and "notorious" are unacceptable non-neutral term (negative bias)

"Celebrity" is generally neutral but can be non-neutral (favorable bias)

The meanings of "famous" and "fame" are simply 1. well-known and 2. in the public eye

Could they not be said to be "well known"?

Are they not "in the public eye"?

You're not actually questioning whether they should not be described as famous (and provided no explanation or disagreement with wikipedia's Wiktionary definition). Suggesting "infamous" doesn't explain why you don't think "famous" applies. If they're not "famous" then the word "infamous" is necessarily excluded (infamous means: well known/in the public eye + negative light)

It may be appropriate to question why a newspaper doesn't reflect your bias?

Wikipedia is not news media, it is an encyclopedia - therefore the suggested wording is inappropriate. Remarkably inappropruate on the biographical page for their father (deceased before members of the family experienced fame).

I would actually suggest the problem isn't with the word fame but with "achieved." The appropriate term is 'experienced.' Pimprncess (talk) 23:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Failure to recognize Bruce/Kaitlyn

He didn't recognize her

• http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/rob-kardashian-reacts-caitlyn-jenners-5806136#rlabs=1

--88.104.136.143 (talk) 20:12, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

That was the son Robert Kardashian. This article is about the father Robert Kardashian. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 07:55, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Popular culture section

The O.J. Made In America line should be removed from popular culture section, as Kardashian is mentioned very little in that one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.110.75.47 (talk) 16:46, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Spouse at time of death

Her name is Ellen Pearson and Pearson was her married name from her previous marriage, not her maiden name.

Marriage with "Jan Ashley"

Did Robert divorce Jan in 1999? I believe that it was the same year they where married. Please cite this and explain how the marriage was dissolved. Hartma9616 (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Was this in California courts? Should be documented in public court records. Pimprncess (talk) 23:27, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Kardash means brother, sister or sibling in (Eastern dialect and in Kars) of Turkish the ending ian is Armenian. Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2021

2600:1702:2C0:A00:E84C:B2DF:71D3:6880 (talk) 17:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:04, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Dorsey High school

My brother same age as father Bob Went to Dorsey High School together. My family bought truckloads of cattle your uncle Bobby at Great Western Meat Packing. My father Ralph Arouh were very close with uncle Bobby and truck loads of beef for DECADES and my brother Alan Arouh was class mates at Dorsey High with Robert. I followed 6 years later. I also went to Dorsey High school and work in the family meat business. 2603:8000:7F07:F487:3919:9A85:5A9B:3055 (talk) 23:35, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

We are the a same Meshpoca.Sephardic and Armenian🌈💥

UBAH 2603:8000:7F07:F487:3919:9A85:5A9B:3055 (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2024

“Acquittal” is spelled incorrectly near the end of the article as “aquittal”. Stuartfdrake (talk) 12:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done Sincerely, Guessitsavis (she/they) (Talk) 14:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)