Talk:Roman Catholic Diocese of Suzhou

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The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 00:14, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Suzhou has a former bishop imprisoned for 30 years, the first ever mainland Chinese bishop to meet the pope, and the tallest Catholic church building in China? Source: Cardinal imprisoned for 30 years, Pope meets mainland Chinese bishop in first ever public meeting, Tallest Catholic church building in China
  • ALT1: ... that the Roman Catholic Diocese of Suzhou has both the tallest Catholic church building in China and the first ever Chinese bishop to meet the pope? Source: Pope meets mainland Chinese bishop in first ever public meeting, Tallest Catholic church building in China
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  • Comment: 5x expanded the article (from ~2,300 characters to ~14,000 characters). The source of the tallest Catholic church building in China is in Chinese.

5x expanded by TheLonelyPather (talk). Self-nominated at 04:37, 15 January 2023 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - questions
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @TheLonelyPather: So, concerns. What makes UCA news, jstzj, catholic.org.hk., and Korazym. AGF on the chinese sources. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:05, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Hi Onegreatjoke, thanks for the review. I don't quite understand your question but I'll try my best to explain. UCA news and Korazym are Catholic-leaning media sources. catholic.org.hk is the website of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Hong Kong. jstzj is operated by the Catholic Patriotic Association of Jiangsu, which is an organization on the same united front of the Chinese government. I try to maintain Wikipedia:NPOV by including the two different narratives: one that sees the involvement of the Chinese government as bad (catholic.org.hk, korazym) and the other that accepts it (jstzj). Hope this helps. TheLonelyPather (talk) 04:47, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Are they reliable-but-partisan sources, or just mouthpieces? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 02:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
    • Hi theleekycauldron, UCA news and Korazym are reliable-but-biased sources. The jstzj website summarizes all the government-approved catholic activities in Jiangsu Province. It is biased without doubt, but I cited it because it has a list of the major catholic churches in the diocese, which is not an opinionated piece of information and can be taken in good faith in my opinion. I have edited the related paragraph to highlight the bias of jstzj. TheLonelyPather (talk) 04:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
      • Pinging TheLonelyPather to continue the review, then. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 21:46, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
        • Hi theleekycauldron, thanks, but per WP:DYKSG rule H2, I cannot approve my own hook or article. If you don't mind, please feel free to leave a {{subst:DYKtickAGF}} as a fellow reviewer.
          • Oh, god, facepalm. Pinging the actual reviewer, Onegreatjoke. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 07:45, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed; Onegreatjoke hasn't returned for three weeks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:58, 28 February 2023 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I think the sources look fine, and I appreciate the effort to maintain NPOV by citing sources whose biases are in different directions. Either hook would work, though I think the verb tense in ALT0 is a bit odd (present tense "has" even though the bishop is no longer imprisoned and died years ago). I've made some minor copyedits to the article. Nice work! —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

• Thank you, Mx. Granger! I fixed ALT0 by adding the word "former", since the verb "has" is shared by several objects and it's hard to modify its tense. TheLonelyPather (talk) 20:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks, I think that's better. It might be clearer to say "has a former bishop who was imprisoned for 30 years", but that would put the hook just over the 200-character limit. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 22:33, 5 March 2023 (UTC)