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Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2017

Hello! I've been following Rajamouli for several years and also worked with him for a brief period of time. I'd like to make some edits to make this page more complete.

Rajamouli is a fantastic role model and I believe the wiki page currently doesn't quite convey that. Please allow me to edit the page Srinualav (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:23, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Request

Jai sri Gurudev sir The Indian famous legendary director paramapoojya Sri padhma Sri Dr "SS Rajamouli " sir I am from Karnatak ,studying aeronautical engineering I am very well interested in families I was writing songs ,stories and I would like acting also sir I am very interested to making historical movie s ,please can u give one chance sir This is my humble request please sir Abhilash M Abal Swamiji (talk) 03:07, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

OK, this reply is really late, but you seem to have misunderstood the talk page to be a place to talk to Rajamouli. Wikipedia does not represent S.S. Rajamouli, nor do we have any affiliation with him. This applies to all articles. You are welcome to improve Wikipedia if you wish to. Thanks, King Prithviraj II (talk) 17:05, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Neutrality issues.

The Advert template should be removed only after the issue is resolved and the article is thoroughly edited with all the puffery removed. The earlier revision of the article also contained descriptions plagiarized from the wiki articles of other directors. The template should not be remove until the issue is resolved.103.5.133.9 (talk) 07:23, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Request to add his stay in Vizag

S.S.Rajamouli lived in Vizag for a considerable period of time. He himself said this in an interview. I am posting that below

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Visakhapatnam/vizag-holds-a-special-place-in-my-heart-rajamouli/article18445586.ece

Sharkslayer87 (talk) 15:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sharkslayer87: In what context are you proposing this information be added? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:22, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:This can be added to his personal life section Sharkslayer87 (talk) 17:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Sharkslayer87: In what context? A random sentence that says "Rajamouli lived in Vizag for a few years"? What does that tell us about him, exactly? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:32, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: We can change his personal life essay to the below one

"Rajamouli was born in Raichur of Karnataka, although his family hails from Kovvur, West Godavari district, Andhra Pradesh. His primary education was done at Kovvur and his higher education was at Eluru. He lived in Vizag for several years as his mother was from there

His father and brother are in the film industry, working as a script writer and a music director respectively. After his education, he worked as an assistant with editor Kotagiri Venkateswara Rao during his initial years. He is married to Rama, who now works as a costume designer for his films. They have 2 children – Koduri Karthikeya from her previous marriage and Koduri Mayukha, daughter." Sharkslayer87 (talk) 18:46, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

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@Reo kwon and Fostera12: Discuss your changes here. Please raise specific points and issues instead of vaguely mentioning "Original research" or "POV". -- Ab207 (talk) 14:39, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

This change is particluar by Fostera12 makes little sense to me. Even if it was "fan POV", the information should be re-written per NPOV instead of simply removing. And how are a few randon international awards more important than the notable Indian awards won by Rajamouli? -- Ab207 (talk) 14:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Articles of Cameron, Spielberg, Nolan have info on box office milestones. All the awards in the Rajamouli's lead are notable like Nandi Awards, Filmfare, National Awards Saturn Awards. All the information on box office is backed by reliable third-party sources. The information on themes is a summary of the sub-section of "Filmmaking style and themes". All the words in those sentences are backed by reliable sources which can be found in the body. I didn't put them in the lead as it makes the article cluttered. The sentence on "Pan-India films" should be there because it is a significant movement in Indian cinema and Rajamouli is the pioneer of it. Likewise, all information in the lead is sourced and summarized from the body of the article. I hope this clears it. Reo kwon (talk) 15:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

If they have box office info it should not be in lead section, it should be in body when you are discussing that film. Fostera12 (talk) 15:18, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I have highlighted the issues, Now what are you going to do ? tell me ? will you correct it or i should correct and re-write. Conclude me Fostera12 (talk) 15:19, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Halo I am asking you. Will allow me to rewrite some lines or you own wikipedia ? Fostera12 (talk) 15:26, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

What kind of notable indian awards he won ? did he won National Film Award For Best Director ? which is the highest award for direction in India. And how come his random masala films which succeded at box office via inflation of numbers, becomes a main point in lead section ? that all the exhaustive list of films of his are provided. Fostera12 (talk) 15:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC).

His films won the National Awards for Best Film and Best Popular Film which goes both to the director and producer of the films. You can check the citations of that on the Ministry's website. Notable films are based on either commercial or critical acclaim. The films mentioned satisfy either of the criteria. Your opinion that films of a certain genre should not be mentioned is the very definition of "POV pushing". Reo kwon (talk) 15:24, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I know this, I am not talking about this do you understand english ? I am talking about rewriting the same info properly Fostera12 (talk) 15:27, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Why do you need to mention that he is the highest paid director in India ? did you see any Director articles in wikipedia all around the globe mentioning it even the likes of james cameroon, and steven spileberg dont provide this type of info in lead section. This language and fan point of views affect the quality of articles.Fostera12 (talk) 15:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC).

It was included because it is significant and is sourced from reliable parties. Lead sections on many directors, actors, and sportspersons contain information regarding earnings. For example, check Jackie Chan's page. Reo kwon (talk) 15:29, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

This information is subjective and fan pov. Need to omit this info in lead section at any cost.

• Rajamouli is the highest paid director in India.[8][9] Through his Baahubali films, he is credited with pioneering the pan-Indian films movement where a film is simultaneously released in multiple Indian languages and is made to appeal to audiences across the country, cutting across the linguistic and cultural barriers.Fostera12 (talk) 15:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC).

This information is regarding those two films, and it is not about Rajamouli. These lines should be ommitted.

• Baahubali 2 is currently the highest grossing film in India, and sold over 10 crore (100 million) tickets during its box office run, the highest estimated admissions for any film in India since Sholay (1975).

Fostera12 (talk) 15:16, 16 July 2022 (UTC).

That infortaion is a fact. Not POV. A director's lead section obviously contains information about his body of work and its significance. It was included because it is a notable milestone. Reo kwon (talk) 15:31, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Rajamouli is currently the highest paid director in India. This is a fact, not POV. Also, he is a film director, therefore the miles stones about the film he directed will be included. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:28, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Why was "Rajamouli has directed twelve feature films so far; each one of them was successful at the box office" has been removed. The information is reliably sourced to independent citations with quotes from the relevant article. -- Ab207 (talk) 15:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I have completed corrections, check and confirm. Fostera12 (talk) 15:43, 16 July 2022 (UTC).

Still don't understand why the information related to past films has been erased. The lead as edited by you covers past 4 films only when in fact he directed 12 films. Lead is supposed to summarize his entire career. All 12 films he directed are commercially successful. This part is reliably sourced and verifiable, and must be restored. -- Ab207 (talk) 17:34, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

@Reo kwon: It's unclear why older films should be left out in favour of Baahubali 2's ticket sales. I'd prefer it the other way around. He directed 12 films, not just 4. -- Ab207 (talk) 10:23, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Hm. I initially wrote about his older films too. Only removed them because Fostera12 mentioned that they were not notable. They might pale in comparison to the success of Baahubali or RRR, but they were notable films in Telugu Cinema. I don't mind it either way. Reo kwon (talk) 10:33, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Two of the three sub-sections in the body cover the older 8 films. So they should be summarized the lead as well. -- Ab207 (talk) 10:49, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I will add them. Reo kwon (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

why did you delete this info ? and "RRR was nominated at the Hollywood Critics Association - Second Best Picture" what kind of agenda driven vandalism you both are into ? so you both dont allow other editors contibutions ? what non sense is this ? only you both should edit this article, I will report this to the arbitration committe about your monopoly on this article. And why on earth are you adding Idle brain source for box office figures, even after telling you repeatedly that Magadheera box office figures were inflated, which was huge controversy at the time. Fostera12 (talk) 09:32, 18 July 2022 (UTC).

HCA Midseason can be added to the body. It is not prominent enough to be in the lead. Furthermore, it is a runner-up, not a win. We are not quoting Idlebrain on Magadheera box-office figures. But rather it is regarding the fact that Magadheera became the highest-grossing Telugu film at the time. As you said, there was controversy on the box-office figures, but everyone agrees that it was the highest grosser ever at the time. This was the fact that was included in the lead. Reo kwon (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Reo kwon With whom did you discuss about "Added details on older films as per the discussion on the Talk Page". Lead section is not filmography why dont you follow the wikipedia quality guidelines? why are you adding his B-grade masala films maryada ramanna, vikramarkudu, and simhadri in lead section ? He is above such B grade films now. By adding that list you are downgrading the quality.Fostera12 (talk) 09:48, 18 July 2022 (UTC).

They were added after discussion with Ab207. As I said earlier, I don't have a preference for keeping or removing it. You can remove them once we achieve consensus on this page. Reo kwon (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Both, See below the improved section cleaned by me.

"Rajamouli has directed twelve feature films so far; all of them were successful at the box office.[3][4] Baahubali 2 is currently the highest grossing film in India, and sold over 10 crore (100 million) tickets during its box office run, the highest estimated admissions for any film in India since Sholay (1975).[5][6] His films Magadheera was featured at the American Fantastic Fest, Eega won the Most Original Film at the 8th Toronto After Dark Film Festival, Baahubali series have received two American Saturn Award nominations with Baahubali 2 winning the Best International Film. RRR recieved Second Best Picture at the 5th Hollywood Critics Association Midseason Film Awards". Fostera12 (talk) 10:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC).

Ab207 Please note that Fostera12 has engaged in edit war contradicting whatever has been discussed here. Magadheera's box-office milestone has been removed unilaterally. Also removed were films from his older days. Reo kwon (talk) 11:17, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Ab 207 is not the decision maker here, all three should come to consensus. What consensus you achieved, he says to include all his films, if im talking about RRR nomination you are not adding it, then add RRR HCA nomination also if you dont have preference anyways u are adding all his films and this article will never be nominated for good article status. I am aiming for good article status, u are pov pushing without assuming good faithFostera12 (talk) 11:13, 18 July 2022 (UTC).

You can add the HCA Midseason nomination if others agree to it. On my part, I think, it is not prominent enough. If it is the year-end award then that can surely be included. Reo kwon (talk) 11:21, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Ab207 Reo kwon has engaged in edit war contradicting whatever has been discussed here. Not adding RRR nomination in lead section, but adding Baahubali nomination, Contradicting his own ideas.Fostera12 (talk) 11:19, 18 July 2022 (UTC).

Both are not equivalent. Bahubali's nomination is for Saturn Awards which are prestigious for speculative fiction films. RRR nomination is for midseason awards. If it was the year-end awards then it would be more prominent and can be added. That is all I am saying. Reo kwon (talk) 11:24, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

So you are saying simhadri, and maryada ramanna are prominent than Hollywood critics association awards either mid or annual ? which line improves article quality ?Fostera12 (talk) 11:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC).

Any international wins and nominations of his films are to be included in lead section, this was already agreed upon. Your aim is to dominate your pov pushings when it comes to lead section, you are not willing to consensus.Fostera12 (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

See here how good the lead section is - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Spielberg and you both are adding all of his films list Fostera12 (talk) 11:39, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

example here - A figure of the Pan Indian films, he is the most commercially successful director in India - This is how we present data, not years, list of films and box office, which will anyways be included in body text, I would mention only Eega, Baahubali 1 and 2 and RRR in Rajamouli's lead section. Fostera12 (talk) 11:42, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

I recommend pls rewrite, Rajamouli lead section in this fashion..taking spielberg article as example, see the language, cohesion, and style. Just listing out films cannot make it a good lead section, instead we should make a comprehensive biography of a director example here...

Steven Allan Spielberg (/ˈspiːlbɜːrɡ/; born December 18, 1946) is an American film director, producer, and screenwriter. A figure of the New Hollywood era, he is the most commercially successful director of all time. Spielberg is the recipient of various accolades, including three Academy Awards (including two Best Director wins), a Kennedy Center honor, a Cecil B. DeMille Award, and an AFI Life Achievement Award. Time magazine named him one of the 100 Most Important People of the Century in 2013.

Spielberg was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, and grew up in Phoenix, Arizona.[1] He later moved to California and studied film in college. After directing several episodes for television including Night Gallery and Columbo, he directed the television film Duel (1971) which gained him acclaim from critics and audiences. He then made his directorial film debut with The Sugarland Express (1974). The following year he became a household name directing 1975's summer blockbuster Jaws. He then directed box office successes Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977), E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982), and the Indiana Jones series. Spielberg later explored drama in The Color Purple (1985) and Empire of the Sun (1987).

After a brief hiatus, he directed two back-to-back hit movies with the science fiction thriller Jurassic Park and the Holocaust drama Schindler's List (both 1993); the former became the highest-grossing film ever at the time, while the latter has been described as one of the greatest films ever made. In 1998, he directed the World War II epic Saving Private Ryan. Spielberg continued in the 2000s with science fiction, including A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001), Minority Report (2002), and War of the Worlds (2005). He also directed the children's adventure films The Adventures of Tintin (2011), The BFG (2016), and Ready Player One (2018), as well as the historical dramas Amistad (1997), Munich (2005), War Horse (2011), Lincoln (2012), Bridge of Spies (2015), The Post (2017), and the musical West Side Story (2021).

In addition, he co-founded Amblin Entertainment and DreamWorks, and has served as a producer for many television series and films. Spielberg is also known for his long time collaboration with composer John Williams, with whom he has worked for all but five of his feature films. Several of Spielberg's works are among the highest-grossing films of all time.[2] Nine of his films have been inducted into the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress as being "culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant".[3][4]Fostera12 (talk) 11:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

The issue is you are making little effort to cohesively summarize his career. Straight up removing all the old 8 films makes the lead loopsided, focusing only 4/12 films. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

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MOS:BIRTHNAME

@Reo kwon Please the MOS:BIRTHNAME and revert yourself to the MOS version. Rajinikanth goes under MOS:CHANGEDNAME (as he probably changed his name at some point?) — DaxServer (t · m · c) 12:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Do we have proof that he changed his name? Many Indian articles follow the Rajinikanth format. Even if Shivaji Rao Gaikwad changed his name to Rajinikanth shouldn't the article mention his birth name and say that he changed his name to Rajinikanth? If not, why did it get a "good article" status?
What's wrong with the current format? We are clearly mentioning his birth name in BOLD letters at the beginning itself. Reo kwon (talk) 12:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Once again, that is because of the MOS:BIRTHNAME guideline. My speculation for Rajinikanth is that he probably changed his name. If not, then yes, the birthname comes first — DaxServer (t · m · c) 13:16, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

@Reo kwon I'm afraid, I don't think you've understood the MOS properly here. The article in general starts with MOS:FULLNAME, regardless of whether it is common name or not. In case there's any evidence that the subject has changed their name, then it starts with MOS:LEGALNAME while birthname is mentioned in brackets.

Since there's no evidence that Rajamouli has undergone any legal name change, it should start with it's full birthname. If you have any queries regarding Rajnikanth article, you are free to raise it on that talk page. -- Ab207 (talk) 13:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Box office performance section

This section doesn't seem to be a typical one that we see on a typical biographical article [of a director]. Why did we add this? What's the value it's providing to the users? — DaxServer (t · m · c) 22:35, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

I remember seeing a similar table at Steven Spielberg or James Cameron article but now it's gone. -- Ab207 (talk) 04:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

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