Talk:SS Jarvis Lord/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Usernameunique (talk · contribs) 01:45, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Infobox

• Port of registry — Is this in the article?

• Done.

Lead

• Perhaps break the first paragraph into two sentences. 1) What the ship was. 2) What happened to her.

• Done

• In the second paragraph, you could add—if there's a source—what the ship was normally used for, e.g., what she typically carried.

• Done.

Design and construction

• Official number 75499 — What does this mean?

• Done. Linked to the wiki page.

• Is the number "75499", or "US 75499"? The infobox says "US 75499", but the text says "75499".

• Done.

• Morley & Hill — Is this worthy of a red link?

• Probably not.

• double-decked steamship — Anything to link to?

• Linked to "Deck (ship)".

Service history

• She was originally built for William B. Morley — What does this mean? Per "Design and construction" the ship was built by him, but that's different.

• Clarified.

• What is an "enrollment"?

• Link added.

• On June 1, 1873, she was the first ship to arrive in Buffalo, New York from Duluth, Minnesota, loaded with 27,800 bushels of wheat — This sentence is confusing, and could mean at least six things. It could mean the ship was the first ship ever to arrive in Buffalo. It could also mean it was the first ship that both a) arrived at Buffalo and b) left from Duluth. Or, it could mean that it was the first ship to a) arrive in Buffalo, after b) leaving from Duluth, while c) carrying 27,000 bushels of wheat. Or it could mean any three of those, but qualified to the date of June 1, 1873.

• Fixed.

• While in the Chicago harbour on April 1, 1874, Jarvis Lord received $100 worth of damage to her hull. — How?

• This, sadly, is unknown. Changed sentence to reflect that.

• she broke her engine — How?

• Changed to "her engine broke down".

• an obstruction — Any details?

• Changed to "an unknown obstruction".

• Captain A.W. Drake — Any relation to Marcus M. Drake? Worth a red link?

• This is not known. Probably not worth a red link.

• the steamer Garland — Worth a red link?

• Probably not.

• Can "layup" be linked to anything? "Laid up" redirects to reserve fleet, would that be appropriate?

• Done.

• John W. Moore ... H.H. Brown ... T.P. Sheldon ... Champion, G.P. King and Reindeer ... E.P. Royce — Red links?

• Probably not.

• Generally speaking, this section feels like a bunch of press clippings stitched together into a narrative. Perhaps that's inevitable—you can only say what has been written about the ship—but just highlighting it in case you can think of ways of ameliorating it.

Final voyage

• On August 17/18 — Perhaps "On August 17 or 18". Also, the year should be given.

• Done.

• Richard Neville — Worth a red link?

• Not worth a link.

• What's Pyramid Point?

• Redirected to Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore, as it is located within it.

• Lawrence — Red link?

• Probably not.

• her hull had a rating of A2 ½ — What does this mean?

• Insurance rating.

• Any further information about what her crew did after, or how the affairs of the ship were settled (insurance policy, etc.)?

• Aside from the value and the insurance rating, not much is known.

Discovery

• In the years following her sinking, multiple shipwreck hunters tried and failed to find Jarvis Lord's wreck. Shipwreck hunter Ross Richardson of Lake Ann, Michigan had aspirations of locating Jarvis Lord for a number of years. — The second sentence seems to jump 100+ years from the first, with no indication or warning.

• I don't necessarily known what can be done here.

• scanning — How/with what?

• Linked to "side-scan sonar".

• Any hopes of getting photos of the wreck? Have you thought about reaching out to Richardson?

• Uploaded a fair use image.

References

• There's a lot of sourcing to maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca, which seems fine—the sources used appear to just reproduce old newspaper articles. But I wonder if you looked elsewhere for articles? In particular, newspapers.com returns 199 hits from 1872 to 1885 for the term "Jarvis Lord" from Michigan newspapers. (I limited it to Michigan to prevent mishits for Jarvis Lord, though perhaps some other states/provinces on the Great Lakes would have some relevant newspaper coverage.)

• @Usernameunique: All of what I was able to do has been done. GreatLakesShips (talk) 09:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Usernameunique: The minor issue has been sorted. GreatLakesShips (talk) 08:29, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

• Thanks, GreatLakesShips. One question above about sources. By the way, for future reference, please don't strike my comments once you respond to them: it makes it harder for me to see what the comment was, and in any event, I should be the one deciding whether the comment is resolved or not. Not a big deal, just a heads up. --Usernameunique (talk) 10:00, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

• @Usernameunique: I haven't really looked, but as far as I'm concerned, the maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca website covers all the significant details. Also, I suspect that most of the newspapers that showed results contained "vessel movements" reports, which are by and large useless. GreatLakesShips (talk) 12:17, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

Closing comment

• GreatLakesShips, I'm going to go ahead and pass the article. Having taken a look at about 40 of the 199 hits on newspapers.com, it's clear that they do contain some information that is not currently in the article; most are movements of vessel movements, as you say, but many are not. Here are some that I found from that search: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. On the other hand, these articles, for the most part, simply add color that what is in the article, and I do not see anything significant that is left out. In other words, while the article would likely not be considered "comprehensive" under the featured-article criteria, it certainly "addresses the main aspects of the topic", while is the relevant good-article criterion. At any rate, it's a nice article, and congrats on the promotion. If you would like to keep working on it at some point but don't have a newspapers.com account, you can apply for a free one through The Wikipedia Library. --Usernameunique (talk) 23:42, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: Thanks. Tomorrow, I will take a closer look at the clippings you provided and do some extra work on the article. GreatLakesShips (talk) 23:45, 12 March 2021 (UTC)