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Copyedit

MPJ-DK just some comments from the copyedit:

• Garza led young tecnicos La Mascara and Hijo del Fantasma through the championship tournament, climaxing with an upset win over Blue Panther, Dos Caras, Jr., and Garza's then tag team championship partner Místico.[8] It was a rare tecnico/tecnico final, setting up issues between Garza, Místico and Garza's new role as a leader of a group of high flyers. On August 5, 2008, they lost their title to Último Guerrero, Negro Casas, and Atlantis. They had a rematch where Garza, La Mascara, and Hijo del Fantasma regained their title on January 18, 2009.
• The part where you mention his study at a univeristy is based off of a primary and thus unreliable source. Please change this.

I'm having a hard time understanding what this means. Willbb234^Talk (please {{ping}} me in replies) 19:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

• @Willbb234: I re-wrote the text.. Also - the article is partly an interview, but it is not in his words that he is a student, its the article describing what he does. If it was just in the quotes from him yes I'd be primary, but when it's the article providing background I disagree that it's "Primary source" information. MPJ-DK (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:El Hijo del Fantasma/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MWright96 (talk · contribs) 07:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Am reviewing this article as part of the GAN Backlog Drive of April to May 2020. MWright96 (talk) 07:37, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Lead

• "While working for Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide, he won the AAA Fusión Championship, and AAA World Cruiserweight Championship in 2014," - this sentence would be better off ending with a period
• "and the AAA Latin American Champion, and Copa Antonio Peña in 2017." - reword this sentence to say Alcantar was the AAA Latin American Championship, and won the Copa Antonio Peña in 2017.
• "Prior to working for AAA he worked for Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (CMLL) from 2008 to 2013." - close repetition of the word "worked"
• "for the U.S. based Lucha Underground promotion from 2014 to 2019." - U.S.-based
• Delink U.S. per MOS:OVERLINK

Professional wrestling career

• "Alcantar began his professional wrestling career on July 4, 2000," - not mentioned by the SuperLuchas source. Please use another citation to verify this sentence
• "revealing that he was the son of El Fantasma to the wrestling world." - the text in bold is better off moved to after the first word of the portion of this text

Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (2008–2013)

• "after he left International Wrestling Revolution Group in 2004." - the text highlighted in bold should be written as IWRG since the acronyms are mentioned in the previous subsection
• "During his CMLL time," - his time in CMLL,
• "Despite never having teamed previously," - before
• "after only one successful title defense since July," - July 2009
• "Garza kept insincerely insisting that he was still a tecnico and that his team was getting along great." - change the text in bold to a phrase that is more formal
• "Garza complained that his partners agreed to the match without asking him," - agreed to contesting the match
• Dragón Rojo, Jr. doesn't necessarily need the comma per MOS:JR
• "the highest profile match Hijo del Fantasma had competed in thus far in 2012." - that year

Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide (2013–2019)

• "he made it to the finals of the Copa Antonio Peña," - italize Copa Antonio Peña
• "Fantasma won the 2017 Copa Antonio Peña tournament, which meant he also won the vacant AAA Latin American Championship." - repetition of the word "won"
• "initially over the Latin America champions," - American
• "At Triplemanía XXVI, held on August 26, 2018, L.A. Park defeated El Hijo del Fantasma in the Poker de Aces match. After his loss, El Hijo del Fantasma was forced to unmask and reveal his real name, Jorge Luis Alcantar Bolly, to everyone watching." - both sentences are not supported by the MedioTiempo source attached to them. Please find reliable source(s) that support the conent

Lucha Underground (2014–2019)

• "In October 2014, Hijo del Fantasma began working for Lucha Underground under the ring name "King Cuerno" (Spanish for "King Antler" or "King Horn")," - The Internet Wrestling Database states this happened in September 2014
• "King Cuerno started a feud with Drago and, on January 21, 2015, King Cuerno defeated Drago in a Last Man Standing match. On February 4, 2015, King Cuerno attacked Johnny Mundo, initiating a feud between them. The rivalry was apparently concluded on the March 11, 2015 episode when Mundo and King Cuerno wrestled in a Steel Cage match, which was won by Mundo." - these sentences are unsupported by Wrestling Observer Newsletter, and require reliable sources to verify them
• I think Death Match has no capital letters and is one word
• "He was released on March 26, 2019." - please state whom exactly release the wrestler on this date

WWE (2019-present)

• "to defeat Lewis Howley and Sam Stokerat on a show in Fort Pierce. Florida." - please avoid violating MOS:SEAOFBLUE in regards with the text highlighted in bold

Movies

• This section should be changed to the word Films to be more formal
• "El Hijo del Fantasma has appeared in the following movies:" - films

Championships and accomplishments

• "Distrito Federal Light Heavyweight Championship (1 time)" - this achievement is lacking a reliable source to verify whether it is correct

References

• Reference 26: "[Johny Mundo becomes AAA triple champion]" - typo; should be spelt as Johnny
• Reference 30 should have Super Luchas as the work not the publisher
• The same issue as above exists for Reference 38
• Reference 40 should state that it requires a subscription to access
• Please substitute the IMDB reference for one that is reliable per WP:CITINGIMDB

Will put the review on hold to allow the nominator to action/respond to the queries raised here. MWright96 (talk) 08:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

• MWright96 - I have address all issues except for those where sourcing is needed. I'll fire up the ol' Google and find suitable sources in the next day or so. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:17, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
  • Turns out it was even easier to source, two out of the three issues had sources in other articles and I found the third one quickly. MPJ-DK (talk) 15:27, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
    • @MPJ-DK: Now promoting to GA class. I have made a few changes to the article. MWright96 (talk) 17:09, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Move to Santos Escobar or King Cuerno

I'd move the page to Santos Escobar , because he's wrestling in the most famous (but currently one of the worstest Companys in the world(without NXT) Company or King Cuerno, because he gained most popularity with that name MkIc (talk) 14:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree with Santos Escobar. Why should we change the name to King Cuerno, a name from a dead TV show that ended in 2018, with less audience that NXT? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:38, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

But he's still known as El Hijo del Fantasma in Mexico, even his debut ring name was "El Hijo del Fantasma". Hansen Sebastian^Talk 17:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move February 9 2021

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopoposed request Number 57 13:41, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

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El Hijo del Fantasma → Santos Escobar – After several months in NXT working as a very important figure, his current name is also the WP:COMMONNAME HHH Pedrigree (talk) 14:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. —Nnadigoodluck███ 19:19, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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He’s from the tribe of issachar

He’s from the tribe of Issachar 47.184.19.159 (talk) 04:39, 8 January 2023 (UTC)