Talk:Sapeh

Wrong information

Sape comes from Kalimantan, originally made by my ancestors, the Kayan tribe, why is it always changed to Javanese musical instruments?@CodeTalker Asang Lawai (talk) 17:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

It is important to take note that a culture developed in certain ethnic group might possibly have foreign (non-native Kalimantan/Borneo) origin; just because it is now played by your ethnic as well, it doesn't mean it is originally created or invented by your ethnic. And according to proven evidences and sources, Sapeh was first predominantly used in Java before the native of Java introduced it to Kalimantan. Also it is better to acknowledge that Sapeh isn't only 'made' by/for the natives of Kayan River, the natives in southeastern parts of Kalimantan has been exposed to these musical instrument way before it was brought to regions alongside Kayan River in North Kalimantan. Furthermore, the significance information about the natives of Kayan River related to these musical instrument is already mentioned in history section, so I couldn't understand what's your stand point at the first place. In order to make changes and claim, it is better to do some researches first and find ultimate evidences, because the article should be encyclopedia-based, not delusional-based. (Daorigeen (talk) 12:21, 17 April 2023 (UTC))

@Daorigeen I have no opinion on the factual question of the sapeh's origin, but I do see that the text you are reverting to is riddled with grammatical errors such as "It ... works similar way like the guitar", "it is one of the absolute evidences that Sapeh was originally from Java", "Besides generally traced through the archaeological study", "commonly originated from eastern region of the island", "alongwith", "notable manuscripts are including", "'The etymological origin ... are also could be traced derived from Old Javanese", "It was first in prime performed in public", and many more. There are also stylistic errors, such as repeated capitalization of "sapeh".

In addition, it contains citations that do not support the text, such as the statement that an "electrical-based [sic] string instrument" was patented in East Kalimantan, with a citation to Indonesia's patent laws rather than to any specific patent.

Would you please revert to the version in which I have corrected the grammar (04:34 16 April 2023), and then make whatever changes you wish to make using proper English? Thank you. CodeTalker (talk) 15:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

@Daorigeen Sape in ancient times was used by the Dayak tribe for traditional rituals and played before and after war while string instruments in the Javanese tribe had a different function, the point is that this wikipedia article about sape refers to the sape of the Dayak tribe. If you want to claim sape comes from Java, please make an article that different Yohanes bambang (talk) 15:10, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Daorigeen when referring to the history of the ancestors of the Dayak and Javanese tribes, the Austronesian race came from Taiwan and the Philippines who also have stringed musical instruments, so it is only natural that there are similarities in musical instruments and language, but this is not the case. It's not that sape comes from Java, but the culture of Java and Kalimantan is rooted in their ancestors, once again sape is not from Java! but is part of the culture of the Austronesian race developed by the Dayak tribe. Some Austronesian tribes do have stringed musical instruments, but some of them have different sounds and ways of playing them. Sape is a patent owned by the Dayak tribe in Kalimantan. while the Javanese strings are different in terms of how to play them and also the sound. Asang Lawai (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

@Daorigeen whutsup bro you are still giving wrong informatio. Asang Lawai (talk) 15:16, 22 April 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohanes bambang (talk • contribs)