Talk:Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia

Name

• Sarukhan + "Bey of Magnesia" -Llc (all languages) - 0

• "Sarukhan Beg" -Llc 6
• "Sarukhan Bey" -Llc 8
• "Saruhan Bey" -Llc 30, but only 9 of 30 were written in English, furthermore some of them are same text.
• "Saruhan Beg" -Llc 7 (-3)
• "Bey of Magnesia" -Llc 6, all of them were written in 1800s.
• "Sarukhan bin Alpagi" -Llc 0

Takabeg (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 9 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. No consensus for move after being open for nearly 2 months. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 04:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way. Aintabli (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per convention, any title that is lesser than that of a king is placed following the monarch's name, whether disambiguation is needed or not. For example: Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg. He is not a king, so his title is placed following his name. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:13, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  @Therealscorp1an, That is the convention for European monarchs. He was not a European monarch. See WP:NCROY, which explicitly states that it does not cover Islamic rulers. Apart from that, my point is that Magnesia is not what he exactly ruled over. "Bey" is neither a clearly-defined royal title nor is it comparable to the European understanding of such titles, especially "duke"s. Aintabli (talk) 23:41, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

  Also, please see the section above, because "Bey of Magnesia" is not a WP:COMMONNAME. It existed in very old publications and was not used for Saruhan, the ruler. Aintabli (talk) 23:50, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

• Support, the WP:COMMONNAME argument seems stronger to me. BD2412 T 17:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Biography and WikiProject Royalty and Nobility have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 14:22, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.