The birth date was inserted here unsourced in 2014, then he died in 2023 and the journalist obviously with 99% probability copied it from here, I've seen the same a thousand times. No non-primary/non-official source should ever be accepted for an information that was earlier in Wikipedia. Mewulwe (talk) 22:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
- "the journalist obviously with 99% probability copied it from here". This is speculative. You're essentially accusing a media outlet of not checking information before publishing it. Obviously the media outlet had a source for his death in the first place, so the information in their article wasn't just "copied from Wikipedia". If you're going to come out with such outlandish accusations, you need evidence. Otherwise the source passes WP:RS and thus can be used to cite his date of birth. --Jkaharper (talk) 01:52, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
- I didn't say the journalist copied his entire article; he copied the birth date, which is part of the background information separate from the news of his death. We know that journalists even in the most reputable outlets like BBC have copied from Wikipedia. Lesser sources have no idea of "checking information" from Wikipedia whatsoever, as is obvious from the fact even literal Wikipedia wordings are routinely copied, see for example this Pakistani obituary saying "Mumtaz Ali Khan Bhutto was a Pakistani politician who served as 8th Governor of Sindh..." - always a telltale sign when someone's nationality is mentioned in that very nation where this would be the default. The fact that they don't bother to even edit such a lifted sentence implies they haven't checked the facts either (and sure enough, the "8th" therein is a complete Wikipedia invention). So my "speculation" is well-founded. It would be outlandish to take the opposite default assumption in such cases, where it is impossible to prove that the information was copied from Wikipedia. This would invite citogenesis on a massive scale. Mewulwe (talk) 08:33, 11 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
