Talk:Sayuri Ogawa

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 11:27, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that the assassination of Shinzo Abe motivated a former believer of the Unification Church, Sayuri Ogawa, to become a prominent anti-cult activist? Source: "Unification Church tries to derail ex-believer's press conference", Kyodo News, 2022-10-07, retrieved 2023-08-09, Following Abe's shooting, Ogawa said she realized "many victims were suffering the same way I was" and that she "wanted to eliminate the damage caused by religion."
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Created by Sameboat (talk). Self-nominated at 09:49, 9 August 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sayuri Ogawa; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Nice interesting hook from a good standard new article, appears to be first nomination so no QPQ needed. EchetusXe 11:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sameboat and EchetusXe: The hook needs to comply with WP:DYKCRIT 3b. I cannot find the information in the hook cited in an article directly following the hook. Bruxton (talk) 21:33, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

I assume that you don't find any word directly describing her as an "activist" in any reliable sources. It is true that Japanese (non-tabloid) media generally avoid addressing a person "activist" (活動家) unless the person self-identifies as such, because of the political ramifications come with such label. (She is attacked by the rightwingers as an activist/puppet of the left/communists). But I think it is what she has done so far—showing up in media interviews, government hearings and endorsing petitions which were recognized by the most powerful politicians in Japan—to qualify the identification of an "activist". -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 22:51, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore the one (and only) actual source which addressed Ogawa as an "activist" is from a Bitter Winter (CESNUR) article by Massimo Introvigne on November 7, 2022 (google the online article yourselves because I am not posting it here). Most info in the article was likely based on reports by a Japanese rightwing tabloid Monthly Hanada. Anyway CESNUR is deemed unreliable per English Wikipedia editor consensus, but more importantly Introvigne also called Ogawa an "apostate" in the article which is extremely scathing and unprofessional. -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 07:52, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

• @Sameboat: I believe the issue is that the nominated article does not explicitly state that she was motivated by Abe's assassination, only that she started speaking out since the incident...whereas the Kyodo News source cited above makes the "motivation" more explicit. Would you be able to either edit the article so that it more clearly backs up the hook...or fix the hook to match the article? Cielquiparle (talk) 04:14, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

@Cielquiparle: I have edited the article to make it more explicit about the motivation. Also here are 2 alternatives in case the original one doesn't work out:

ALT1: "... that the desire to help people suffering from religion similarly prompted Sayuri Ogawa, a former believer of the Unification Church, to hold a press conference."

ALT2: "... that since the assassination of Shinzo Abe, Sayuri Ogawa, a former believer of the Unification Church, has stepped forward to advocate for helping victims of religion." -- Sameboat - 同舟 (talk · contri.) 09:01, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the article, Sameboat. Restoring approval for ALT0 only. Have struck the other two for now (ALT1 sounds weak; ALT2 "victims of religion" is problematic). Cielquiparle (talk) 04:43, 1 September 2023 (UTC)