Talk:Schengen Information System

SIS2 contains no provision for photographs, fingerprints, or DNA details. The data being held, and who can gain access to it is governed by a fairly strict legal framework that took longer to draft than the computer system is taking to write. It cannot be expanded unless the appropriate legal framework is also expanded.

SIS's sister system VIS (Visa Information System) does have fingerprints and passport style facial images. However the legal framework governing these, which cover only those people from outside the Schengen area requiring visas dictate that records are expunged after five years.

The Prüm Convention should be mentioned and linked in this article as it is a parallel development in the area of information exchange.

[] ([]) 11:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Informative article. The legal & technical bit needs some grammar checking though. Little difficult to read. Any offers?

I agree that the article is indeed very informative but the critics towards the system have been bypassed too lightly. For instance, in terms of dna fingerprints it should be noted that this bit is included in the Prüm Convention signed by seven member states (now more than seven countries take part in it) in the summer 2005 to enhance the co-operation. And, although the Prüm Convention does not have its legal basis in EU treaties but is an multilateral agreement among some of the member states, it shows the direction of the development.

Accuracy

The article states that 19 additional countries have joined the agreement, but goes on to list 20, including Switzerland (which would bring the total to 25, not 24 as stated in several places), and does not mention that Switzerland is NOT a member of the EU.

In the article are many, many mistakes. 5 countries cited were not initial countries building the SIS, but initial countries signing the Schengen Agreement. Initial countries developing SIS were Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain. First and foremost use of SIS is compensation for borders abolishment. "Ireland and the United Kingdom use the Schengen Information System for law enforcement purposes." - to my knowledge UK and IR do not use SIS at the moment at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.180.48.44 (talk) 16:01, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Lichtenstein is using SIS as well and is also part of Schengen area.

Wiki citation "In the SIS, information is stored according to the legislation of each country. There are more than 31 million entries,[1] each containing information items such as:" it is not right. Information stored in SIS are defined by Schengen Agreement Application Convention. There is over 40 mil entries and definitely not each entry has "items such es". Out of above 40 mil entries there is only less than a milion on persons. Rest is on stolen cars, stolen IDs etc.

How this statement "wiki citation However, 10 Schengen Member States (Estonia, Finland, Greece, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia and Spain), as well as Bulgaria, Cyprus and Romania, have national databases which record travellers' entries and exits, although data is not exchanged between the national databases of these countries.[2][3][4]" corresponds to SIS? It shall be omitted.

This statement says nothing: "Drafting the text took five years. It was only on 19 June 1990 that the five precursory states who signed the Schengen Agreement Application Convention of 14 June 1985 (SAAC), began to be gradually joined by Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Austria and the five Nordic Passport Union countries: Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden" - SIS started 1995 with seven countries stated already above.

The part "Evolution towards SIS II" is all crap.

Readability

I've tagged this article for cleanup because it appears to have been written by someone who's first language is not English (nothing wrong with that, just needs some edits for readability!) and in places doesn't read very well. Please don't remove the template until a copyedit has been done. 79.68.202.189 (talk) 05:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

For my part I don't have any substantial problems with readability. The text is available on a number of sites, some of which seem to be official EU sites although it isn't clear who is quoting whom. In other words, are these sites quoting Wikipedia or is this an official text put on Wikipedia? But the lack of any substantial mention of the various criticisms related to Schengen and the Schengen Information System is a problem I think. / HH

Figures and facts in the lead may need updating

Hi

Does this need updating? 20 added later to original 5 = 25, 25 +2 =27; however, there are 27 EU members - Cyprus and Bulgaria are signatories to Amsterdam treaty, have they also signed up to the Schengen agreement? If so that would give 29, but it should be thirty if we include the three that are not EU members (Iceland, Norway, and Switzerland) ... numbers seem to be a little off somewhere (though it could be my maths). Chaosdruid (talk) 18:51, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Article 96

What is this article 96 data that the UK and Ireland don't have access to? --194.144.109.204 (talk) 12:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Entry/Exit System

This article needs to refer to the EES which goes live in 2022. Should the articles be merged? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entry/Exit_System S C Cheese (talk) 18:15, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Add criticisms section?

This article is lacking in information on the criticisms of the Schengen Information System such as seen here (PDF). For a real life example of the issues involved there's the case of British journalist Matt Broomfield, covered here and here.

I'm not currently able to fix this omission myself so if another editor can that'd be appreciated. 167.179.145.42 (talk) 08:21, 13 December 2021 (UTC)