Talk:Scouting and Guiding in Syria

existence of other organizations

That needs to be sourced and/or mentioned in the article, not just reverted. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 11:53, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The existence of the "Scouts assyriens" and the Homenetmen as separate organizations is speculative as well. Do you have any sources on them? These emblems [1] of the "Scouts assyriens" claim to be from Iraq, but the page is not reliable:

you're right about reliability, the site mixes the two Congos, lists girl patches as boy, but it's still remarkable. I'm having fun. :) Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

• The second emblem in the last row is used by Syriaque Scouts all over the world.
• The third emblem in the last row comes from Sweden and is used by a Syriaque Scout unit up there. It is certainly no national emblem.

Can't say anything on the first emblem in that row. --jergen (talk) 12:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the weblink! Nothing related to that badge says Sweden. You earlier said "the "scouts assyriens"/"syriac scouts" are affiliated to the Scouts of Syria." So reversion without discussion is uncalled for, please take it to the talk page. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

The badge shows the Swedisch national emblem. See Svenska Scoutrådet. --jergen (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Speculation, like saying Pepsi is owned by South Korea, because the emblems look similar. You well know many orgs borrow emblems they like from other orgs. If you can find something of substance, I'll totally remove it. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Normally, you should prove the existence of the "Scouts assyriens". Non-existence can not be proven. --jergen (talk) 13:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Like I said on your talk page, the badges are a sign, unless they're farby. We should move the talk here so it's all in one place. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 02:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

In the Homenetmen article, under the 1990s, it clearly states:

“ Complementing these new chapters, the following chapters were re-established:

• 1991: Plovdiv, Sofia, Varna, Roussa, all in Bulgaria
• 1994: Kessab, Syria

”

Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 12:33, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Could not find any source on the continuing existence of this group. Homenetmen itself is widely unsourced and very advertising. Thus it should not be used. I insert {{fact}}. --jergen (talk) 12:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for coming to the talkpage on this. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 13:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Jergen has just copyvio-blanked Homenetmen, in order to bolster his argument for removal of Scouting in Syria. The Homenetmen article has been edited by dozens of users, there is no way the whole article is a copyviolation. Please review. If it was a new article by a single user, then it would be copyvio, this borders on POV. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I am not attacking Jergen, he's a great editor and usually easy to work with. But twice reverting a new article to redirect without discussion, and then copyvio blanking another article used to bolster the discussion appear to violate WP:POINT. Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 05:59, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Blanking copyvios is Wikipedia policy. See WP:Copyvio.

This article still lacks sources for the existence of two organizations. --jergen (talk) 09:42, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

The Homenetmen in Syria at least still existed in 2002: [2] and 2006: [3] and was large enough to send people to their Jamboree. --Egel _Reaction? 11:53, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

"Scouting in the Interwar Arab Middle East: Youth, Colonialism and the problems of middle-class modernity", Keith David Watenpaugh, pgs. 89 - 105Block, Nelson R. (2009,). Scouting Frontiers: Youth and the Scout Movement’s First Century. Newcastle upon Tyne: Cambridge Scholars Publishing. ISBN 1-4438-0450-9. {{cite book}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)CS1 maint: extra punctuation (link) gives clear evidence and information on three Scout Associations in Allepo, Syria in the 1920 and 1930, These are Arab Scouting, Armenian Scouting, and Scout et Guides de France. It is a fascinating read. Should the information go in this article or the one only on Scouts? --Bduke (Discussion) 06:52, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I would say it goes here. --Chris (クリス • フィッチュ) (talk) 07:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)