Talk:Scouting in Russia

Removed sections for further editing

Associations

should be checked for existence --jergen 22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Union for the Development of Scouting in Military Families
• Ural Scout Federation
• Vol'ga Scout Association
• Association of Scouts of Komi/ASK-RU (WOSM sub-association)
• Association of Scouts of Udmurtia/ASU-RU (WOSM sub-association)
• Union of Scouts of Chuvashia/U.S.C-RU (WOSM sub-association)
• and a Russian Scout organization belonging to the World Federation of Independent Scouts (WFIS)

Scouting in ethnic subdivisions of Russia

that are nearly all ethnic subdivisions; if correct this could be shortened to Today, Scouting is present in nearly all ethnic sundivisions of Russia. --jergen 22:58, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The point is, the list below shows their growth, where known-I propose we put it back into the article. Chris 20:27, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Scouting is becoming familiar in non-Russian parts of the federation, and is being developed in several ethnic republics and subdivisions.

• 20px Republic of Adygea
• 20px Altai Republic
• 20px Republic of Bashkortostan (intermediate growth)
• 20px Buryat Republic (intermediate growth)
• 20px Chechen Republic
• 20px Chuvash Republic (Union of Scouts of Chuvashia)
• 20px Republic of Dagestan (issues Scouting postage stamps)
• 20px Republic of Ingushetia
• 20px Kabardino-Balkar Republic
• 20px Republic of Karelia - Скауты Карелии/Scouts of Karelia
• 20px Republic of Khakassia (intermediate growth)
• 20px Komi Republic (Association of Scouts of Komi, known to have its own local Scouts by 1992)
• 20px Republic of Kalmykia
• 20px Republic of Karachay-Cherkessia
• 20px Mari El Republic (intermediate growth)
• 20px Republic of Mordovia (issues Scouting postage stamps)
• 20px Republic of North Ossetia-Alania
• 20px Sakha Republic
• 20px Republic of Tatarstan
• 20px Tuva Republic (issues Scouting postage stamps) The Tuvan Scout Motto is Belen Bol, translating as Be Prepared.
• 20px Udmurt Republic (Association of Scouts of Udmurtia)
• 20px Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug

affiliation

I question that ORYuR and NORS are linked, historically they have been at odds. Documentation? Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 17:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:RussiaNORS-R.jpg

The image Image:RussiaNORS-R.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

• That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
• That this article is linked to from the image description page.

The following images also have this problem:

• File:Fsr-badge2.png
• Image:RussiaORYUR.jpg

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --21:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Emblem gallery

I have begun a discussion at Wikipedia:Non-free content review concerning the gallery of emblems towards the bottom of the article and invite interested editors to comment. CIreland (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for being civil, these image removal issues lately have been contentious. We're in the midst of a typhoon right now, but I'm still supposed to work tomorrow. I plan to respond fully, but I am going to bed now. Please hold off on more removals, I'll be back in 18 hours, sorry for the delay.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. I noticed you mentioned the topic-banned editor, I believe you think his work is necessary, but the strife and contention he creates are most definitely not-our Scouting Project Coordinator had to take a wikibreak from stress with that user-and he's an admin, so that's not a good situation in any measure.

When I saw my talkpage had turned orange, because of the above situation, I was actually loaded for bear for a fight with you, so I again am thankful for your civility and for actually following the request to go to the talkpage.

1. This issue has been hashed and rehashed over five years, as you can see in the Scouting WikiProject archives at least four times with different NFCC-enforcers; the agreement that has been cobbled together is that when a nation has multiple Scout organizations, showing their emblems is not a violation of NFCC. Because of strange situations in countries, where badges are available but websites or material even in their own language is scarce, at that point it's not a gallery for decorative purposes, the images are a form of documentation themselves. You can see how professional the Russian emblems in particular are-those were made for us specifically by Wikigraphists from crude badges, so this is something we are serious about, fully aware others may perceive issues.
2. You removed those images without fair-use rationales, that's okay, those can be either fixed or left out on a case-by-case basis.
3. In your edit summaries you stated "I don't believe...", appearing that the removals are your opinion only. Others believe differently and we have discussed this issue multiple times at great length, vide the archives. It's not a simple case of decoration or image overuse, and while it is not the optimum situation, it is not a violation though at first that is not so obvious. You at least take the time to listen, and thank you. Your colleague above barrels through, so I am quite happy with his topic ban. It's not the substance, it's the approach that is important oftentimes.
4. By going after large numbers of Scout articles in a short timeframe, it may appear you are targeting Scout articles for some reason-now I trust you are not deliberately doing so, but it was my first impression and I thought, "great, another fight..." :( Please be careful with this.
5. As discussed at length with the above user, which got him topic-banned from NFCC, just because there is a rule out there, does not mean one is obligated to enforce it to the detriment of other Wikirules (it does sometimes clash) or overriding existing discussions of other projects. It's meant to protect Wiki, not an ironclad device to beat other users away with.

I'll be back after work, hope you have a good day!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I think that they do inherently convey relevant information (i.e. what the organization-level emblems are for the captioned scouting in Russia organizations) but I added a sentence saying that to sort of double up on that. North8000 (talk) 14:24, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

This gallery appears to be a straight-out violation of the "minimal use" clause, if this has been discussed before can links to those discussions please be provided?
Aaron Brenneman (talk) 03:22, 1 August 2011 (UTC)