Talk:Algerian Muslim Scouts

Article renaming

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The result of the debate was Move --evrik ^(talk) 20:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I propose we rename this article. This change is proposed in order to bring this foreign-language Scouting article title into compliance with the spirit of both WikiProject Scouting - Rules Standards, Article names and Wikipedia:Naming conventions. The discussion about this is currently taking place at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Scouting/Translations#Proposed_article_name_changes. --evrik ^(talk) 16:24, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Scouts Musulmans Algériens * talk	Algerian Muslim Scouts

• Support changing name from French to English. --evrik ^(talk) 16:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
• I can agree with this one, it is a straighforward translation and is used by the NDI [1] and UNICEF [2]. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 16:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Disagree: There is no source that this translation is in official use and that it refers to the SMA; the above references may refer to any of Algeria's Scouting organizations. There is Scouting outside WOSM. --jergen 21:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

I was not aware that there are more scouting organizations in Algeria. If that is the case, this may indeed be an ambiguous name. --Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 23:05, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

• This is from the article:

Algerian Muslim Scouts (SMA, Arabic: الكشافة الاسلامية الجزائرية, French: Scouts Musulmans Algériens) is the national Scouting association in Algeria.

It is clear in looking at the title that it is in French, and not the Arabic language (or English). There may be Scouting outside the WOSM, but the WOSM site is authoritative (IMHO), and we now have other links provided by User:Reinoutr. --evrik ^(talk) 20:58, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can see, you are the only one seeing WOSM as authoritative - see the opinions above on the Albanian issue.

Is there any source besides WOSM who gives Algerian Muslim Scouts as translation of Scouts Musulmans Algériens? Both sources only mention the existence of an organisation under the English name, but we don't know if it's the same as Scouts Musulmans Algériens. --jergen 14:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• I had to laugh when you said, "As far as I can see, you are the only one seeing WOSM as authoritative." It's like me saying, "As far as I can see, you are the only one not seeing WOSM as authoritative." The article itself gives the name in three languages. I say we should be using the one in English. --evrik ^(talk) 14:48, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If you had looked at history, you would know that the article started with the French title; the English translation was only given as an explanation. Somebody changed this without moving the article...

Concerning the authority of WOSM I'll quote two of the remarks on Beslidha Skaut Albania:

• WOSM is not the body who decides on those names (Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr))
• WOSM is definitely not the decisive organization in this issue. (Wim van Dorst)

And please don't try to avoid my question: According to which external source is Algerian Muslim Scouts the official translation of Scouts Musulmans Algériens? --jergen 20:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Avoid? No, let me quote the statement above, "... translation and is used by the NDI [3] and UNICEF [4]."

There is enough evidence here to move the name from French to English. --evrik ^(talk) 23:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but you didn't answer my question - none of the two given sources proves that Algerian Muslim Scouts is the official translation of Scouts Musulmans Algériens; the French name - of which the mentioned English title may be a translation - isn't mentioned. I'd like to have a source that gives both version - until now it is possible that the English translation refers to any other Algerian Scouting organization. --jergen 11:24, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

• I'm going to go ahead and make the move. --evrik ^(talk) 20:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Scouting in Algeria

Scouting in Algeria redirects here, but there is also a Guiding organization. This also breaks the rule of covering multiple NSOs in another NSO article. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 12:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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