Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Translations

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Naming conventions

The basis for rnaming articles as incorporated into Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/RulesStandards#Article names on 25 April, 2007, is:

Main points

1. For naming articles on Scout organisations/associations, we use an English name if the organisation itself verifiably uses an unique English name in its own documents (if we can not find such a name, we ask the organisation for a name and a source for its use).
2. If no official English name becomes available, we seek consensus on whether there is one clear translation to English of the organisation's name and use that. If there are several translations that differ only trivially, we seek consensus on whether one of them can be used. By trivial, we mean different prepositions (e.g. "in" or "of") or word order ("Scout Association" or "Association of Scouts")
3. If no consensus is reached on point (2), we seek consensus whether the "Scouting in XXX" proposal (see below) can be used to write a complete article on all aspects of Scouting in a particular country to replace the article with a contentious title.
4. Failing resolution of an English name from points (1) - (3), we use the official non-English name.

Related points

Separate from these key proposals we note:

1. We use the now completed "Scouting in XXX" proposal to give English names for readers to find articles about Scouting in all countries, whether English speaking or not, and without having to know the name of the Scout organisation in the country. These can be redirects, disambiguation pages or articles. In some cases we should also create "Guiding in XXX" or "Scouting and Guiding in XXX" links in the same way as above.
2. We will be extremely liberal in the use of redirects both to the "Scouting in XXX" articles (e.g. "Scouting in USA") and to the individual articles of organisations (almost any plausible translation - redirects are cheap).

Summary

We try to find whether the organisation uses an official English name. Failing that we see whether there is an obvious translation. If that is not unique, are the different translations trivial in the sense that they translate back to the same name. We use Scouting in XXX, for all countries XXX including English-speaking countries, as a redirect, a disambiguation page or a brief article. If the first two points do not resolve the name, we consider using Scouting in XXX to cover ALL aspects of Scouting in the country. If that is not acceptable, due perhaps to there being many Scout organisations and the argument is only about the name of one of them, we use the non-English name used by the organisation itself. We then use any English translation as a redirect to the non-English title. Note, if this summary conflicts with the points above, it needs to be corrected as the points above are the agreed wording.

Matrix

I have left in place this set of tables that was added by evrik on 28 October 2006. I hope to improve them as a basis for renaming articles according to the procedures agreed and keep track of the activity. This may have to wait for a while. --Bduke 09:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Europe

The following are the countries listed at {{EuropeanScout}}.

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Magyar Cserkészszövetség	Hungarian Scout Association
Beslidhja Skaut Albania	None	Albanian Scout Association
Scouts of Greece official translation[1]	Scout Association of Greece
Türkiye İzcilik Federasyonu	Scouting and Guiding Federation of Turkey	Turkic Scouting Federation Scouting Federation of Turkey
Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Österreichs	Scouts and Guides of Austria	Boy Scouts and Girl Guides of Austria Austrian Boy Scouts and Girl Guides both official used[2] Austrian Scouts and Girl Guides
Guidisme et Scoutisme en Belgique	Guiding and Scouting in Belgium	The Guides and Scouts Movement of Belgium official translation[3]
Organizatsia Na Bulgarskite Skauty	Organization of Bulgarian Scouts
Savez izviđača Hrvatske	The Scout Association of Croatia	Scout Association of Croatia official translation[4]
Junák	None	Association of Scouts and Guides of the Czech Republic official translation[5]
Fællesrådet for Danmarks Drengespejdere	The Danish Scout Council official translation [6]	Joint Council for Denmark's Boy Scouts
Eesti Skautide Ühing	Estonian Scout Association
Suomen Partiolaiset	The Guides and Scouts of Finland official translation[7]
Scoutisme Français	French Scouting	Federation of the French Scout Movement La Fédération du Scoutisme Français
Ring deutscher Pfadfinderverbände	Scout Federation of Germany	Federation of German Scouting Associations German Scout Federation official translation[8]
Bandalag íslenskra skáta	Icelandic Boy and Girl Scout Association official translation[9]
Hitachdut Hatsofim Ve Hatsofot Be Israel	Israel Boy and Girl Scouts Federation
Federazione Italiana dello Scautismo	Italian Scout Federation	Italian Federation of the Scout Movement
Latvijas Skautu un Gaidu Centrālā Organizācija	The Scout and Guide Central Organization of Latvia	Latvian Scout and Guide central organisation official translation[10]
Pfadfinder und Pfadfinderinnen Liechtensteins	Scouts and Guides of Liechtenstein official translation[11]
Lietuvos Skautija	Lithuanian Scouting
Sojuz na Izvidnici na Makedonija	The Scout Association of Macedonia	Union of the Scouts of Macedonia
Association des Guides et Scouts de Monaco	Association of Scouts and Guides of Monaco	Association of Guides and Scouts of Monaco
Speidernes Fellesorganisasjon	The Guides and Scouts of Norway	Joint Organization of Scouts
Związek Harcerstwa Polskiego	The Polish Scouting and Guiding Association official translation[12]
Federação Escutista de Portugal	Scout Federation of Portugal	Scouting Federation of Portugal
Organizaţia Naţională Cercetaşii României	The National Scout Organization of Romania	National Organization of Romanian Scouts, National Organization of the Scouts of Romania
Associazione Guide Esploratori Cattolici Sammarinesi	The Catholic Guide and Scout Association of San Marino	Association of Sanmarinese Catholic Guides and Scouts
Savez Izviđača Srbije i Crne Gore	Yugoslav Scout Association	Scout Organization of Serbia and Montenegro change of name pending
Slovenský skauting	Slovak Scouting	Scouting Slovakia official translation[13]
Zveza tabornikov Slovenije	Scout Association of Slovenia	Union of Scouts of Slovenia
Federación de Escultismo en España	Scouting Federation in Spain	Federation of the Scout Movement in Spain
Svenska Scoutrådet	The Swedish Guide and Scout Council official translation[14]
Scouting Nederland official "translation"[15]	Netherlands Scouting	Scouting Netherlands
Association of Catholic Guides and Scouts of Italy	Association of Catholic Guides and Scouts of Italy	Associazione Guide e Scouts Cattolici Italiani, Association of Italian Catholic Guides and Scouts

The Americas

The following are the countries listed at {{InteramericanScout}}.

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Scouts de Argentina	Scouts of Argentina
Asociación de Scouts de Bolivia	The Scout Association of Bolivia	Scout Association of Bolivia
União dos Escoteiros do Brasil	Brazilian Scouts Association	Scout Union of Brazil
Asociación de Guías y Scouts de Chile	Guide and Scout Association of Chile
Asociación Scouts de Colombia	Scout Association of Colombia
Asociación de Guías y Scouts de Costa Rica	Association Guides and Scouts of Costa Rica	Guide and Scout Association of Costa Rica
Asociación de Scouts Dominicanos	Dominican Scout Association	Association of Dominican Scouts
Asociación de Scouts del Ecuador	Scout Association of Ecuador
Asociación de Scouts de El Salvador	Scout Association of El Salvador
Asociación de Scouts de Guatemala	Scout Association of Guatemala
Scouts d'Haïti	Scouts of Haiti
Asociación de Scouts de Honduras	Scout Association of Honduras
Asociación de Scouts de México, A.C.	Scout Association of Mexico
Asociación de Scouts de Nicaragua	Scout Association of Nicaragua
Asociación Nacional de Scouts de Panamá	National Scout Association of Panama	National Association of the Scouts of Panama
Asociación de Scouts del Paraguay	Scouts Association of Paraguay	Scout Association of Paraguay
Asociación de Scouts del Perú	Scout Association of Peru
Boy Scouts van Suriname	Boy Scouts of Suriname
Movimiento Scout del Uruguay	Scout Association of Uruguay	Scout Movement of Uruguay
Asociación de Scouts de Venezuela	Scout Association of Venezuela
Scouting Aruba	None
Scouting Antiano	None	Antillean Scouting

Asia Pacific Scouting

The following are the countries listed at {{Asia-PacificScout}}.

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Bhutan Scout Tshogpa	None	Bhutan Scouts Association
Persekutuan Pengakap Negara Brunei Darussalam	Brunei Darussalam National Scout Association
Gerakan Pramuka	Boy Scouts and Girl Guides Movement
Persekutuan Pengakap Malaysia	The Scouts Association of Malaysia	Malaysian Scouts Association
Mongoliyn Skautiyn Holboo	The Scout Association of Mongolia official translation [16]
Conseil du Scoutisme polynésien	None	Polynesian Scout Council Council of the Polynesian Scout Movement

African Scouting

The following are the countries listed at {{AfricaScout}}.

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Associação de Escuteiros de Angola	Scout Association of Angola
Scoutisme Béninois	Benin Scouting	Beninese Scout Movement
Fédération Burkinabé du Scoutisme	Scout Federation of Burkina Faso	Burkinabé Federation of the Scout Movement
Association des Scouts du Burundi	Scout Association of Burundi
Les Scouts du Cameroun	Boy Scouts of Cameroon
Associação dos Escuteiros de Cabo Verde	Scout Association of Cape Verde
Fédération du Scoutisme Tchadien	Scout Federation of Chad	Federation of the Chadian Scout Movement
Wezombeli	The National Scout Association of Comoros	Association Nationale du Scoutisme Comorien
Fédération des Scouts de la République démocratique du Congo	The Scout Federation of the Democratic Republic of The Congo	Scout Federation of the Democratic Republic of The Congo
Fédération Ivoirienne du Scoutisme	Scout Federation of Côte d'Ivoire	Scout Federation of the Ivory Coast
Fédération Gabonaise du Scoutisme	Scouting Federation of Gabon	Gabonese Federation of the Scout Movement
Firaisan'ny Skotisma eto Madagasikara	Scout Federation of Madagascar	Fédération du Scoutisme Malagasy Federation of the Malagasy Scout Movement
Liga dos Escuteiros de Moçambique	League of Scouts of Mozambique	League of the Scouts of Mozambique
Association des Scouts du Niger	Scouts Association of Niger	Scout Association of Niger
Association des Scouts du Rwanda	Scout Association of Rwanda
Confédération Sénégalaise du Scoutisme	Senegalese Scout Confederation	Senegalese Confederation of the Scout Movement
Association Scoute du Togo	Scout Association of Togo

Arab Region Scouting

The following are the countries listed at {{ArabScout}}.

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Scouts Musulmans Algériens	Algerian Muslim Scouts
Fédération du Scoutisme Libanais	Lebanese Scout Federation	Federation of the Lebanese Scout Movement
Association des Scouts et Guides de Mauritanie	The Scout and Guide Association of Mauritania	Scout and Guide Association of Mauritania
Fédération Nationale du Scoutisme Marocain	National Federation of Moroccan Scouting	National Federation of the Moroccan Scout Movement
Les Scouts Tunisiens	The Scouts of Tunisia	Tunisian Scouts, Tunisian Scouts Association Both official translations [17], [18]

Note: Nearly all members of the WOSM-Arab region have official names in two or three languages, mostly in English (or French) and Arab. --jergen 07:33, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Eurasian Scout Region

The following are the countries listed at {{EurAsiaScout}}.

Article name	WOSM National Scout Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Hayastani Azgayin Scautakan Sharjum Kazmakerputiun	Armenian National Scout Movement	National Scout Movement of Armenia official translation [19]
Association of Scouts of Azerbaijan	The Association of Scouts of Azerbaijan	Azerbaican Skaut Assosiasiyasi
Sakartvelos Skauturi Modzraobis Organizatsia	Georgian Organization of the Scout Movement official translation [20]
Organizaţia Naţională a Scouţilor din Moldova	The National Scout Organization of Moldova	National Organization of the Scouts of Moldova
Russian Association of Scouts/Navigators	Russian Association of Scouts/Navigators
Ittihodi Scouthoi Tojikiston	Scout Association of Tajikistan	Associatsia Skautov Tadjikistana

WAGGGS members

Lists only existing articles, for full list see List of World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts members:

Article name	WAGGGS Organisation name	Proposed alternates
Guides du Bénin	Guides du Bénin	Guides of Benin
The Association of Belarusian Guides	The Association of Belarusian Guides	Association of Belarusian Guides
Association des Scouts et Guides du Congo	Association des Scouts et Guides du Congo	Guide and Scout Association of the Congo
Pigespejdernes Fællesråd Danmark	The Joint Committee of Girl Guides in Denmark official translation [21]	Joint Committee of Girl Guides in Denmark
Eesti Gaidide Maleva ja Eesti Gaidide Ühenduse Koostööliit	Eesti Gaidide Liit	Estonian Guides Association
Ring Deutscher Pfadfinderinnenverbände	Ring Deutscher Pfadfinderinnenverbände	German Guide Federation official translation [22]
Soma Hellinidon Odigon Soma Hellinikou Odigismou	Soma Hellinikou Odigismou	The Greek Guides Association official translation [23] The Greek Guiding Association
Magyar Cserkészlány Szövetség	Magyar Cserkészlány Szövetség	Association of Hungarian Girl Guides
Fédération Libanaise des Eclaireuses et des Guides	Fédération Libanaise des Eclaireuses et des Guides	Lebanese Federation of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides
Bureau de Liaison des Associations Guides du Luxembourg	Bureau de Liaison des Associations Guides du Luxembourg	Liaison Office of the Guide Associations of Luxembourg
Associação Guias de Portugal	Associação Guias de Portugal	Guide Association of Portugal
Asociaţia Ghidelor şi Ghizilor din România	Asociaţia Ghidelor şi Ghizilor din România	Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts of Romania
Russian Association of Girl Scouts	Rossiskaya Assotsiatsia Devochek-Skautov
Združenje slovenskih katoliških skavtinj in skavtov	The Slovene Catholic Girl Guides and Boy Scouts Association
Asotsiatsiya Haydov Ukrayiny	Association of Ukrainian Guides

Notes

İzcilik translates to "tracking; scouting" no Guiding in name. --Egel _Reaction? 11:33, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

1. Many languages or associations don't know the distinction between (Boy) Scout and (Girl) Guide and use the same word for both; in most cases WOSM translates this to Scouts and Guides or Scouting and Guiding.
2. Scoutisme etc. is normally translated as Scouting but means in nearly all cases Scout movement. --jergen 13:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)