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Requested move 29 April 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. See enough support to rename to Seafarers Hospital Society as preferred. Have a Great Day and Happy Publishing! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  14:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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Seamen's Hospital Society → Seafarers' Hospital Society – This article should bear the name of the current charity, which is the Seafarers' Hospital Society. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 20:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I support this. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:34, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

But the society's name does not have an apostrophe.[1] While this may be grammatically questionable, the article should be named Seafarers Hospital Society, with a redirect from the name with an apostrophe. Verbcatcher (talk) 22:38, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

If the apostrophe got lost at sea, so be it. I agree that a few redirects may be wise. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:45, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I have created redirects from the proposed title and the title without the apostrophe, but Google searches indicate that the present title is still much more common than the new one, indicating that this should probably not be changed at this time per WP:COMMONNAME. Dekimasuよ! 00:34, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. While ghits aren't the best evidence, we have none whatsoever that the name should be changed, just a nomination based on primary sources and a mistaken belief that the official name is automatically the correct article title. Please see the article title policy. Andrewa (talk) 04:36, 7 May 2018 (UTC)
• Support "Seafarers Hospital Society". The name has indeed changed, and per WP:NAMECHANGES we go with sources published after the name changes for current entities.[2] Google News sources show that more recent sources are using the current name,[3] except when referring to historical places, events or people from when it was called "Seamen's Hospital Society".--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:55, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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Excellent close, Paine Ellsworth. Had I seen Cuchullain's argument in time, I would have changed my !vote. And we move on. Andrewa (talk) 22:08, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, Andrewa; however, I was just the closer – it was Cúchullain's strong rationale that effectively closed this one.  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  22:20, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

It was a team effort. Note I pinged them too. But assessing the arguments through the lens of policy was the key IMO. I should in hindsight have looked for recent sources rather than just standing on one of my favourite high horses... but we are all human. The result has been to the readers' best interests, and that's the bottom line. Andrewa (talk) 22:49, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Don't be too hard on yourself, Andrewa, fwiw you can count yourself as one of the best I've met on this project!  Paine Ellsworth  ^put'r there  17:32, 8 May 2018 (UTC)