Talk:Serbian Army

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Voleo bih da znam zasto se brisu podatci o vojsci srbije kada se zna da Srbija ima minimum 70 M-2001 tenkova koji se projizvode ( modernizuju) od 2005 do danas. Isto to vazi i za Nora B-52 i Lazara BVT]] do sada je napravljeno za vojsku Srbije minuimum 60 primeraka obe masine. A o samohodnim haubicama Sora 122mm i Soko 105mm necu da govorim to nema nigde a koriste se od 1999. A dok stranica vojske Republike Hrvatcke puna do vrha sa opremom koja nije proverena sto mi nesmeta ali treba biti tacan. To sto nemoze da nadjete na netu nemora da znaci da nema u stvarnosti. Ako nemozete da nadjete da se m2001 koristi u viojsci Srbije kako onda nadjete da se M95 degman koristi u vojsci Hrvatcke.

Ja mozda jesam nov na Wikipediji ali vec dugo godina pratim stanje u vojsci. Ovo sto pise na stranici je uglavnom tacno ima mnogo opreme koja nedostaje sa spiska ako vec pisete sve o Hrvackoj vojsci napisite sve o vojsci Srbije. Ako vec necete da napisete ono sto jeste onda ispravite broj tenkova m84 sa 142 na 212.

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Ili sanjas ili te je neko dobro slagao. Srbija niti ima M-84AS (M-2001), niti samohodne Nore B-52, niti Lazare. Sora ni Soko se niti koriste u vojsci Srbije niti postoje od 1999, nego su tek prosle godine prikazani kao koncepti (citaj sklepani). Sta ti hoces, da vojska srbije na vikipediji bude jaca od hrvatske, i ako podatci koje bi ti postavljao uopste nisu tacni u realnom svetu? Pusti Hrvate nek sanjaju da koriste M-95, ako im se iskompleksirane duse onda osecaju bolje. ;-) Na kraju krajeva, lazu samo sami sebe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.231.39.122 (talk) 02:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Croatian Army currently uses only 72M84A4 tanks, with 2M84D being in service on paper only. 2M95 Degman never entered service as production was abandoned in 2000 when new SDP government decided not to pursue M95 project to the dismay of than Military brass. Croatian defence white paper and list of all weaponry is available on Croatian ministry of Defence website and Wikiepdia pages are edited in accordance with the defence white paper. Croatian Army currently has 2 Tank battalions, all of them M84A4 tanks which are superior to older M84A tanks but new defence white paper might reduce number of active battalions to 1 or only 52 tanks with 20 tanks put in to reserve to act as spare.

Do not understand why there's a jealousy over what Croatian Army got since much of it is similar to what Serbia got albeit upgraded to comply with NATO standards, that being said Much of it is obsolete by NATO standards and replacing it won't be cheap. PzH2000 howitzers Croatia is getting from Germany will replace old Gvozdika 122mm howitzers and hopefully tanks will also be replaced considering the fact that current Fleet of 72 Tanks, barely a third is in active service due to lack of spare parts. And similar problems are facing much of Croatian armed forces where half of the equipment is dire need of replacing or overhaul. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.205.184 (talk) 06:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

New section

Certain author is pushing his POV version of this article. Here he can say why is he doing that.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.178.237.11 (talk) 22:34, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

If your opinion is not compatible with what sources say, you have my sincere sympathies; but sources, rather than your opinion, determine what the article should say. That's how we get neutral articles. bobrayner (talk) 23:06, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

This article is about a body whose status was disestablished during the time in question (2001). The information you posted belongs on Military of Serbia and Montenegro. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 01:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

I would happily add it there too, but sources say things like "Perisic is a former Milosevic ally who remained Serbia's military chief until 2008" and "Serbia's former army chief" so it seems pretty relevant here. Or are we pretending that the army of Serbia is a completely new entity which has no connection at all to the army of a few years ago? bobrayner (talk) 14:10, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

No you are pretending the Serbian army existed at a time when it was disestablished. So what about the maritime activity during the NATO bombing in 1999? Was that the "Serb navy" for this landlocked entity? Check this source which refers to Milošević as Serb president in 1999 - the actual President of Serbia was Milutinović that whole year. If you are not POV-piushing (not for me to say) then you evidently struggle to identify factual content from sources. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 16:05, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

If your personal politics conflict with what sources say, then you have my sympathies; but its the sources, rather than your personal politics, which dictate what our articles should say. bobrayner (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Bobrayner. The sources say that Montenegro declared independence in 2006 and prior to that it was called Vojska Jugoslavije which included both entities, Serbia and Montenegro. This article is about the Serb army pre-1918 and post-2006. Thank you for your good faith contributions and I am sorry you are having difficulties in grasping these details, but I'm sure one day you'll stop reading comic books and start examining news reports and non-fiction. Until then, kindly stay away from this article until you have something new to add. Evlekis (Евлекис) (argue) 23:28, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

References regading equipment - Read

Biggest reference about equipment comes from official web site of Serbia Armed Forces. Since many edits are done without reading carfeuly this reference I have added additional note to reference. It is necessarily to pay attention that in reference there is link tied with equipment name witch is going to give further information about specific types of weapons models and etc. Before you delete, add or change anything in conclusion with this reference please read all content in it. Loesorion (talk) 21:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Brigade size

There are four or six brigades. The entire army numbers 22,000. It is impossible for the brigades to be "larger than a conventional modern brigade, their size is more akin to a division." A division would be close to the number of the entire army. Allowing for headquarters, support, training and rear echelon personnel, the 4 (or 6 - the report is ambiguous) brigades can only be the size of small brigades.101.98.175.68 (talk) 07:41, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Serbian Army Merchandised Brigades are on a smaller size. Serbian MOD is good source of exact information on staffing and service personal in Serbian Armed Forces, I think staffing levels as of late 2014 are as following: Army 13900, 4300 Air Force, Training and Doctrine Command 6300, 6400 work for Serbian MOD, and there are some 10 000 civilians on top of that for total of 40 000 staff. So Brigades are rather small it would seem, in region of 2500 men at most. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.129.30 (talk) 14:38, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

There is ample evidence that the Serbian army of barely 13,000 cannot have 4-6 division-sized brigades. This clearly false claim should be deleted.Royalcourtier (talk) 03:02, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

You clearly never served in armed forces, a brigade consists of 3-6 battalions usually, Serbian on the other hand consists of 10 battalions which would be 2-3 conventional brigades. Bulgarian army in ww1 used something similar so their regiment had more soldiers than Montenegrian division,in Bosnian war brigades had little support so they numbered around 1700 soldiers ... to put it simply a brigade may have 3-4 000 members but not all are meant to fight, you need logistics which is usually larger than fighting component. A German division in ww2 had about 12 000 men, but only around 3 000 were fighting soldiers with rifles, MG-s, pistols etc. So those civilians, staff, logistics etc are all part of the brigade. So a single Serbian brigade is more like a conventional division. If for example Serbian brigade has 3 000 fighting soldiers a Swedish (just for example ) brigade may have 1200 soldiers with rifles (even though the brigade may number 3-4 000 members in total). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.229.207.177 (talk) 01:13, 14 March 2017 (UTC)