Talk:Shirley Temple filmography

Film Listings

The listings under the heading Short Subjects, Merrily Yours Merry Lou Rogers is listed in the Baby Burlesk series, whereas, it was the first of her series of 4 films where she played Mary Lou Rogers, along side Frank Coghlan Jr..

I propose amending the entry, Merrily Yours to the Short Films section.

I will be adding a number of links for reference. surfingus (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Her filmography is missing a great wartime film. Since You Went Away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6080:3440:1CD:E021:4CDD:B1F8:428B (talk) 22:40, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Dates

In her autobiography, Shirley Temple Black lists the dates of her films a little differently, most earlier, possibly the dates are when she actually made these films.

Mrs. Black said she has the original contracts which were signed at the time, as references. So it seems likely her claims are correct.

Reference to The Red Haired Alibi for example, imdb.com says this film was released in October 1932, this is backed up by RottenTomatoes.com, alchetron.com, and others.

Yet Mrs. Black is adamant she made this in 1933. This is backed with a reference to Oct. 1932 when she signed a contract with an X, for some post Baby Burlesk work. This was followed by and audition for a part in The Red Haired Alibi, as described on page 28 of her autobiography. surfingus (talk) 12:55, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sourcing available for actor biographies

American Film Institute

• AFI Search tool

"The American Film Institute was founded by a 1965 presidential mandate announced in the Rose Garden of the White House by Lyndon B. Johnson—to establish a national arts organization to preserve the legacy of American film heritage, educate the next generation of filmmakers, and honor the artists and their work. Two years later, in 1967, AFI was established, supported by the National Endowment for the Arts, the Motion Picture Association of America and the Ford Foundation."

Internet Broadway Database

• IBDB search page

"Operated by the Research Department of The Broadway League, a trade association for the North American commercial theatre community." IBDB "is an online database of Broadway theatre productions and their personnel, including lengths of runs, lists of casts and creators, awards and nominations, and past box office grosses. Its research department maintains historical data on individual playhouses and productions. In addition, many reference documents, including weekly box office grosses and season-by-season statistics, are available to the public, journalists, and scholars via the website."

UCLA Film and Television Archive

• "UCLA Library Catalog Basic Search". cinema.library.ucla.edu.

Shirley Temple (moved from draft space for reference)

Yoninah heads up - Shirley Temple is the DYK filmography I'm honing right. An ideal hook would be something on her partnership with Bill Robinson, but for some reason their dance team images aren't on Commons, as far as I can tell. Well, I could do a hook about Shirley leaving her bare footprints in cement at Grauman's Theater. — Maile (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Maile, that's great! (The Shirley Temple article needs a lot of work BTW.) What do you think about one of these?

• The Little Colonel
• The Littlest Rebel

I could upload it for you. Yoninah (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah You're a fountain of this kind of stuff, aren't you? I think the dancing on the stairs image is one of their greatest collaborations together. Yeah, I know her main article can use some work, but I'm not sure how ready I am to again tackle something that size. Right now, I'm working on the ones that don't take so much research and editing. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

And, BTW, why don't we work out a hook here. Feel free to diddle with it.

• .... that Shirley Temple said of her favorite dance partner Bill "Bojangles" Robinson (both pictured): "It was kind of a magic between us"? — Maile (talk) 19:00, 19 November 2020 (UTC) I fixed the punctuation. Yoninah (talk) 19:17, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• That's very good, but I would probably bold-link her favorite dance partner since it's about her films. I uploaded the image and am just waiting for the Wikipedia PhotoLab to remove the watermark. I'll put the image in The Little Colonel (1935 film) too. Yoninah (talk) 19:05, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• Better? And thanks for the upload. — Maile (talk) 19:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• (ec) I looked at the article you drafted. She didn't just get signed to appear in feature films after Baby Burlesks. She appeared in a short dance segment with James Dunn in Stand Up and Cheer and made such an impression that she was immediately signed to appear with Dunn in Baby Take a Bow (the name of the dance number in the first film). Then Bright Eyes was written especially for her and her star took off. See my GA article on James Dunn for sources. Yoninah (talk) 19:16, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• All right, I'll do a little re-write on that. Lucky me, I happened to pick a subject you have a bunch of knowledge about. — Maile (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• Is that good or bad? :)
• Her first role was not key to Dunn's success. He was already successful, having zoomed to stardom in his first film in 1931. The point was that Fox paired Shirley with one of their big stars for that brief dance segment, and by her third film, Bright Eyes, she was the star. Yoninah (talk) 19:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• OK, i'm multi-tasking right now in RL, but I'll get to this. — Maile (talk)

• Hi, we edit-conflicted again. I'm not sure when she signed her 7-year contract; you could add it back in with a cite. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:18, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• Piffle. I think that came from the Stand Up and Cheer article, but I don't care enough to add it back. It's only a filmography, so we don't necessarily need that detail in there. Let's not get bogged down.— Maile (talk) 22:17, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

• BTW - since you are helping with this, would you like a co-nomination credit on the DYK? — Maile (talk) 22:20, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

No, that's okay. I'm just a James Dunn fan. Yoninah (talk) 22:29, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Maile, her films single-handedly saved 20th Century Fox from bankruptcy during the Depression. There's also the famous quote from Franklin D. Roosevelt: "It is a splendid thing that for just fifteen cents, an American can go to a movie and look at the smiling face of a baby and forget his troubles" (cited in Shirley Temple). Yoninah (talk) 22:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

FYI I have two more images coming: the stair dance in The Little Colonel, and a film image from Miss Annie Rooney (1942). Just waiting on removal of the watermarks. Yoninah (talk) 01:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

The stair dance image looks great. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 13:35, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Fox contract - July 18, 1934

From Temple's autobiography:

p. 79 Shirley Temple & family got a new lawyer Loyd Wright. Fox made an offer on July 4, 1934. Wright made a counter offer, and it looked like a stand-off.

p. 80 Fox disliked Wright. - July 18, 1934, two new contracts executed, one for her mother and one for Shirley.

p. 81 Shirley's mother to receive $250 a week. Shirley would get $1000 a week. they got it in writing that Fox would provide Shirley with a scooter, a doll carriage, picture books, assorted blocks, a skipping rope and a game of jacks. For her privacy/personal protection, she was not to be in the studio commissary except for special occasions. Fox retained all rights for scripts, creative control, costumes, publicity, casting, etc. She was to initially get a confidential $15,000 bonus for each completed film.

p. 82 Bonus would eventually increase to $35,000. She would not receive the bonuses on her paycheck,, but they were placed in a trust fund. Fox owned the trusts. Her parents were the beneficiaries. Supplemental parental contract on April 10, 1935, both parents had their salaries increased with the agreement never to ask for an increase again. Shirley was restricted from any personal appearance whatsoever to either be introduced, or to perform before an audience.

— Maile (talk) 11:26, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposed hook

... that Shirley Temple said of her favorite dance partner Bill "Bojangles" Robinson (both pictured), "It was kind of a magic between us".

OK. Go for it! Yoninah (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

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Temple and Robinson in the staircase tap dance from The Little Colonel (1930)

• ... that Shirley Temple said of her favorite dance partner Bill "Bojangles" Robinson (both pictured), "It was kind of a magic between us"?

"We held hands and I learned to dance from Bill by listening, not looking at the feet," she said. "It was kind of a magic between us."1 " She said her favorite dance partner was Bill Bojangles Robinson, one of Broadway's biggest stars." 2

• Reviewed: Discovery of nuclear fission

5x expanded by Maile66 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:18, 20 November 2020 (UTC).

• will review now Mujinga (talk) 12:22, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: interesting hook, good to go! piping a quote is of course usually considered a no-no away from DYK but in this case it works well, if it becomes a problem then the link could simply be shifted to "Shirley Temple" Mujinga (talk) 12:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Temple and Robinson

Where the article talks about her dancing with Bill Robinson in The Little Colonel, I believe it could be better worded than "they made history as the first interracial couple to dance on screen." Since an adult and a child are being referenced, maybe something like "they made history as the first on screen interracial dancing partners" would be more accurate. 68.52.185.132 (talk) 03:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)