Talk:Siberian Yupik
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What is the number of population of this tribe
editi know there american in origin i need a number that they are. 99.51.212.6 (talk) 03:52, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
- How do you 'know' this - what scholarship supports that view? 50.111.45.222 (talk) 13:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Past tense
editWhy is everything in the article past tense, does this group not still exist? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.145.85.223 (talk) 08:33, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Orca or kingfisher?
editMany sources mention, that mɨˈɕuŋɨˈɕak (IPA, in cyrillic: мысюн'ысяк), which is translated to Russian as касатка, is a revered animal, just like wolf. In fact, it is the same as wolf: it is a hunter man, translating himself into касатка in summer, and in winter back into the guise of wolf. Neither касатка nor wolf is hunted by Siberian Yupik, because it is thought to help people in hunting.
As the disambiguition page for касатка shows, it is the name both for
- orca
- and some kinds of see birds (Anas Falcata)
Which meaning is relevant here? A problem is that materials from the same author can give rise to both interpretations:
- A translated material [1] translates it as kingfisher, another bird. But this is a material through (multiple ?) translations: Меновщиков, the author of the article is Russian, and the book (collection of articlea of various authors) which contains also this article was published in Hungarian, German and English).
- The Sirenik Eskimo language book [2] of the same Russian author (published in Russian, untranslated) translates the animal as orca definitely.
All other sources relavent in this topic suggest the orca interpretation (see a detailed collection on my profile: User:Physis#Orca vs bird debate).
My conjecture is that the source translating касатка as kingfisher [1] is a mistranslation. The document may be produced throgh muktiple translations from a Russian-language original article of Меновщиков, and the mistake may be caused by the mentioned ambiguitity of word касатка. My conjecture is supported also by the fact that even the context of this material is in contradiction with the translation: it describes “kingfisher” as “causing terror to all coastal inhabitants”, which is hard to imagine from a sea bird.
Another Russian source (not from the same author) mentions касатка as helping people in the sea hunt by driving the wallrusses to the hand of the people. It is hard to imagine from a sea bird, but it is not unimaginable from orcas, because they have been observed to cooperate with people in hunting.
Thus, I change my earlier contribution, and mention orca (and not kingfisher) as a wolf-equivalent revered helping friend of man in the hunt.
If anybody would object, then reverting this choice can be done by re-inserting the earlier version, which I copied to User:Physis#User:Physis#Concepts about the animal world around them.
Yuit the language
editSince language articles and articles about the people who speak the language are very different in how they're handled in an encylopedia like Wikipedia, I've changed the article Yuit from being simply a redirect article to being an actual article about the language. Currently it's a stub. --Yksin 21:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Do they still exist
editO mean, the article makes it plainly clear that they ARE Indigenous people who reside along the coast of the Chukchi Peninsula in the far northeast of the Russian Federation and on St. Lawrence Island in Alaska. They speak Central Siberian Yupik (also known as Yuit), a Yupik language of the Eskimo-Aleut family of languages. But much else refers to them in the past tense 24.145.85.223 (talk) 08:36, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
I can't speak for the Russian population, but the American population definitely still exists. The indigenous population of Gambell and Savoonga on St. Lawrence Island, Alaska are Siberian Yupik people. -- dowobeha (talk) 20:41, 7 Aug 2013 (UTC)
Notes
edit- ^ a b Menovščikov, G.A.: Popular Conceptions, Religious Beliefs and Rites of the Asiatic Eskimoes. Published in Diószegi, Vilmos et Hoppál, Mihály: Folk Beliefs and Shamanistic Traditions in Siberia. Akadémiai Kiadó, Budapest, 1968, 1996.
- ^ Menovshchikov, G.A.: Language of Sirenik Eskimos. Phonetics, morphology, texts and vocabulary. Academy of Sciences of the USSR, Moscow • Leningrad, 1964. Original data: Г.А. Меновщиков: Язык сиреникских эскимосов. Фонетика, очерк морфологии, тексты и словарь. Академия Наук СССР. Институт языкознания. Москва • Ленинград, 1964
Yuit versus Yupik
editCan anyone provide a citation for the term Yuit? I used to live on St Lawrence Island and I have never seen the term Yuit used outside of wikipedia. Within wikipedia, I have never seen a source for the term Yuit. The term Yuit does not appear in "A Dictionary of the St. Lawrence Island / Siberian Yupik Eskimo Language" (edited by Steven A. Jacobson and published by the Alaska Native Language Center). If the term Yuit only exists in the Russian language literature, then perhaps the term should be removed from the English language page, or at least marked as being Russian in origin. I wonder if perhaps the term "Yuit" is from one of the other Russian Yupik languages. That would make sense, as "yu" is indeed the word for "person; man" in Central Siberian Yupik. -- dowobeha (talk) 21:01, 7 Aug 2013 (UTC)
- Definitions: Merriam Webster - "The Eskimos of Siberia and Saint Lawrence Island"; Oxford English Dictionary - "Siberian Yupik, literally people". Not to say these sources are particularly authoritative here; they could simply be documenting a common error made by English-speakers. But it does not appear to be a WP-specific neologism.Dankarl (talk) 01:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
- A quick scan of a Google Books search reveals the term used in English-language ethnological literature back into the 19th century. Dankarl (talk) 02:23, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
Contact with modernity
editThis article reads as if they continue to live as in legendary times.
Contact with industrialized societies has had no effect on them? How did they fare in the Soviet Union?
--23.119.204.117 (talk) 22:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
- I am Russian. They still live on Chukotka. Some traditional living, but use guns and vehicles. Drink much. Have laws saving them and right to hunt whales.--94.25.229.39 (talk) 20:32, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
- Agreed - this article is missing how they were impacted by the expansion of the Russian Empire - how they fared during the period of the USSR, etc. The Russian IP editor ^ states there are laws protecting them - such as? 50.111.45.222 (talk) 13:24, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
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