Talk:Siege of the Luhansk border base

Hey, i found some minor mistakes, Siege instead of seige. Also you can incorporate all the border crosspoints from Ukraine to Russia instead of only this base, since there are a lot of control points between the two nations that saw and still see military confrontation.200.48.214.19 (talk) 13:23, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

original research, there was no "Ukraine border base standoff" as a proper noun/title. --LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 07:28, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Merger

I'm fairly certain this should be merged into Lugansk People's Republic. RGloucester — ☎ 19:49, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Has significant media coverage—Arbutus the tree (talk) 02:32, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It does not have "persistent" media coverage. Undue weight. RGloucester — ☎ 02:51, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Well at the time it did—Arbutus the tree (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

That's the point. Read what I linked. It needs to have persistent coverage beyond the time that it actually happened. RGloucester — ☎ 16:09, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It still had media coverage 2-3 days later—Arbutus the tree (talk) 18:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It should still have it now. RGloucester — ☎ 18:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

The RSA bombing had more coverage than the siege, so maybe this article could become that? I'm not sure about that, though, because it might be to biased.--Arbutus the tree (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not down to what had more coverage: it's part of a broader subject (an incident within a broader scope, not an article unto itself). I'd also suggest that it be merged with Lugansk People's Republic. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:02, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm either for keep or merger--Arbutus the tree (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. Notable event with wide press coverage. NickSt (talk) 17:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

This article needs a quick merge/redirect. It is yet another one of a series of articles dealing with the Ukraine crisis that are simply not notable. Assuming that an article is to be created to deal specifically with the military conflict in the Donbas region, then the information should be placed there. I'm hesitant to have it moved straight to the LPR page if it is only to be moved again to another page. Lunch for Two (talk) 02:13, 12 June 2014 (UTC) merge - a split isnt necessary, not notable enough in its own right i dont think --LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 05:55, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. As of today, 10 days after that rocket strike, it still has significant media coverage. Therefore I believe that we should refrain from merging. Potekhin (talk) 09:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Provide sources, fellow. The burden is on you. RGloucester — ☎ 15:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Just for example, June 13, 2014, Komsomolskaya Pravda (and note, this is not an online trash, but a well recognized newspaper with over 600 thousand copies circulation). Potekhin (talk) 16:27, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

In the English-language western media? RGloucester — ☎ 16:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability clearly states: "Sources do not have to be available online and do not have to be in English." The requirement the sources to be "western" even does not deserve to be discussed (why not eastern, Chinese, for instance?). Potekhin (talk) 12:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep More than enough quality sources over time to merit it's own article. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 18:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Please show me these so-called sources. RGloucester — ☎ 19:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

You can start by reading the ones referenced in the article. They are more than sufficient. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 00:20, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

One news spike does not make an article. I've cited WP:PERSISTENCE. RGloucester — ☎ 01:32, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

• As of today, the persistence seems to exist: the event is still mentioned in the media (see above). Potekhin (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

As I said, show reliable English-language western sources that mention it. They are helpful for establishing notability. RGloucester — ☎ 14:46, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep per others. EkoGraf (talk) 20:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, 5 for keep and 4 for merger—Arbutus the tree (talk) 03:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

We don't tally votes on Wikipedia. Discussions are not votes, and Wikipedia is not a democracy. It isn't very helpful to do so. RGloucester — ☎ 04:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay--Arbutus the tree (talk) 16:29, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Its actually 4 for keep, 3 for merger and one for ether. Not tallying, just saying. :P EkoGraf (talk) 16:15, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Bombing?

I see the reaction to the "bombing of the RSA" was added here, but this article doesn't seem to be about the bombing… RGloucester — ☎ 16:33, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Whoops, i did that. I couldn't find an article that the RSA bombing was related to enough, so i saw this one. An RSA article on it's own would not work because it needs persistent coverage as you said. I saw a "RSA bombing" on the insurgency article, but someone removed that.—Arbutus the tree (talk) 21:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

The insurgency article already has information on the bombing. RGloucester — ☎ 21:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Where did this happen?

"Luhansk Border Base", except that Luhansk city is not on the Russian border. Where exactly did this "siege" take place? RGloucester — ☎ 20:53, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk) 18:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)I'm not exactly sure but right now finding out.--Arbutus the tree (talk) 18:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Arbutus. It would be nice to have a pinpointed location, so that we can maintain accuracy. RGloucester — ☎ 19:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Still no news, months later, as to where this "siege" was? If we can't even tell where the thing was, how can we justify having an article on it? RGloucester — ☎ 19:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

June 2 Bombing Attribution

"At least one airplane was seen flying ahead, and a rocket, fired by the Ukrainian Air Force, exploded at the Luhansk RSA, killing 8–13 civilians and injuring many others. The Government of Ukraine denied that they were responsible and claimed it was caused by a misfired rebel portable surface-to-air missile.[8][18] However, the next day, the OSCE published a report, based on 'limited observation', in which they blamed the explosion on an air-strike."

We do not have direct evidence of Ukrainian attribution for this bombing. No source linked provides any evidence for the assertion that "At least one airplane was seen flying ahead, and a rocket, fired by the Ukrainian Air Force..."

This should be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coreyman317 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 4 June 2022 (UTC)