Talk:Sienna Miller

Get, rid, of, the, commas

— Heading-only unsigned comment added by 193.92.138.201 (talk) 14:18, 6 January 2007‎ (UTC)

Done? -- AstroU (talk) 09:57, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Neutrality

This article is not neutral, and never will be. 150.204.49.17 13:51, Aug 19, 2005 (UTC)

This troll put NPOV tags on several, apparently randomly selected articles. To make an NPOV dispute you have to say what it is. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:00, August 19, 2005 (UTC)

What's the deal with comparisson to Kate Moss in several occassions?! The article is actually slamming down Sienna Miller. Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and not judge what people do with their lifes. Please!! Let's keep Wikipedia credible.

I agree. This article is gossipy and includes information that does not belong in an encyclopedia -- the aim of which is to be short, factual, neutral. (Truthbody (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC))

Exactly! Sienna Miller has been nominated for Razzie Award in 2010, but wiki-clowns keep deleting this information saying it's "vandalism". This is not an encyclopedia, it's a biased collection of information from internet-trolls. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.181.248 (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

First off, calling other editors "wiki-clowns" is not only a very pathetic attempt at put-down but it is also against WP:NPA. If you can't maintain some semblance of maturity, don't venture to a place where you have to play with others. Second of all, a consensus was reached to not include awards like the Razzies in articles because they're not a legitimate award. If you want to complain about that, open an RfC and change the current consensus. The article currently contains content that supports Miller's notability. I don't see anything overly complementary or negative which is in line with policy. Unless you can point out some troublesome content, I think we're done here. Pinkadelica^♣ 19:37, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, you've just proved all my points. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.205.181.248 (talk) 21:46, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

American?

I really don't think its fair to call her "an American actress and model". She was raised in Britain, has a British accent, and considers herself British. The fact that she was born in American, and (presumbly) carries American citizen ship does not make her American.

She was born in America so there is no questions that she an American citizen. Her parents are American and South African. I could find no proof that she holds British citizenship. Her only claim to Britain is that she has lived there a long time. There is proof that she is American and none that she is British, so it would be not be consistent with the facts to call her British. Maybe 'British raised American' would be an appropriate tittle.—Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:--63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)|--63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:--63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/--63.224.218.206 00:51, 5 August 2006 (UTC)|contribs]])

Instead of going over this, yet again, as this has been discussed below, why not just contact PFD, which is her agency and ask? There website is www.pfd.co.uk. I don't have time to make the necessary enquiries, but until someone can prove she's not English (again, distinguishing from British, which is a nationality) the point remains that she's an 'American-born English' actress and model. Cheerio, Roche-Kerr 10:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

look here:[1] she has both american and british passports and has lived in england from the age of 1 years old i think its very hard to say shes american even though shes lived here nearly all her life "ameican born-english actrees" sound rightVeggiegirl (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'd agree to that, and thanks for the link (definitely answers the question). Roche-Kerr (talk) 14:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Yet this was never corrected. Technically speaking, she's British-American. Born in New York, she has both British and American passports, however, still raised and educated in the UK.SchumiChamp (talk) 20:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

She was born in the US, has American citizenship and her father is American. Why is any addition of her being American repeatedly removed from the lead? It is her nationality and citizenship as well as her ancestry, even if she considers herself English only, which it isn't clear that she does anyway. Jim Michael (talk) 02:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Sienna cannot possibly be British AND American, quite simply because the American government does not allow their citizens to hold dual nationality, plain and simple!

Sienna Miller is a British citizen, she lives in Britain, holds a British Passport, and pays her taxes to the British Government. She is emphatically NOT American, no matter her father's nationality. If anyone doesn't like that it's too bad, but it's the truth. Alidiginous (talk) 20:38, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Everyone born in the US has American citizenship from birth. Why is she described in the lead as English, yet her sister Savannah Miller is described as American in the lead of her article? Jim Michael (talk) 09:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Further, in the Personal Life section, I wanted to read about her life as a youth, not just her dating. Where was she born in America? What of her parents and their children? Personal life is not just about her current love life. At least the section talks about her children with Jude Law; but what about her prior personal life. Most WP articles cover the early life and I would assume most other WP editors and readers would also be interested. TIA, thanks in advance, AstroU (talk) 10:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

To answer my own question(s), I just read her 'Early life' section. --  Done -- AstroU (talk) 10:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC) -- Over, and out. TNKS; THE ARTICLE LOOKS GREAT TO ME. Thanks, Again.

I can't find a source that actually makes her british. She's american, and the source that is listed for her britishness is a link to a wikiarticle, which, is most certainly not a reliable source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:CA0D:8C00:2C41:B105:34E8:1C47 (talk) 22:20, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Controversial

This article is controversial. --Anilocra II 10:27, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

• This user is vandalizing WP and putting tags on articles at random, usually with no comments on talks. Qaz ^(talk) 10:44, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Nationality/ethnicity

Does she have an English citizenship? If not, despite whatever she considers herself to be, she isn't English. For now, I'm putting her under the American categories because we know for sure she has American citizenship. Also, is her mother of English/South African descent or something like that? JackO'Lantern 07:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

If she was born in the US she would have US citizenship. She would then have British citizenship through her father, and SA citizenship through her mother. She almost certainly owns a British passport as her "main" one, but probably, as she travels/works in the US has one of those too (even tho the US tell you can't have one of theirs plus another passport, even if you hold multiple citizenship). Just go find sme candids of her in an airport and see what she's clutching. And, if you're going to categorise her as american, i'd move the quote where she asserts her Britishness into the main article. Amo 15:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I put in "she considers her nationality English" under Early life. Why would she have British citizenship under her father? Is he British? I thought he was an American banker? Anyway, until we see a good source that she has British citizenship we can't really call her "British" (I.e. I don't think they even call Madonna British, and she must have British citizenship). JackO'Lantern 16:27, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Wow, there's me not paying attention; i just assumed her dad was English. I guess we'll just have to assume she's american/South african or naturalised british. But she's a bit of a different case to Madonna, as Miller moved here so young. I mean, Madonna is eligable to live and work here through her marriage to an english man, but i doubt she's dropped her US citizenship. Amo 19:57, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess we'll find out eventually if she has any other citizenship than American... JackO'Lantern 19:58, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no such thing as 'English Citizen', she can be a British Citizen and a US Citizen, but she can also be English, as it's a national idenity, not a citizenship. There is a reason our passports say 'British Citizen' (or whichever citizenship the British national may hold) while we refer to 'England' or 'Scotland' or 'Wales' as our home. Thus, 'American-born English actress' is more appropriate, as she considers herself English, regardless of citizenship, which seems to be a US way of defining someone, rather than their cultural orientation. Nick Kerr 11:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, 'American-born English actress' is a very good was of phrasing it. Although it should be noted that a passport never (in my experience of being a dual US/UK citizen) records any other citizenship than the one is represents.

Another thing that occurred was the question of her parents marrige at the time of her birth? Were they? I think America grants citizenship to anyone born there, but that's not the case in every country if your mother is foriegn. I'll check that one out.Amo 12:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Well again, are you saying that anyone who considers themselves "English" and calls themselves "English" is automatically English? "English" is a nationality. If you're saying she's "an American-born English actress", you're saying she was born in the US but she is of English nationality - and nationality is attained only through citizenship - i.e. being an official member of a country. The fact that her cultural orientation is English is relevant - and is noted under "Early life" (i.e. "she considers her nationality English"), but we're reporting what she factually "is" - and although it's possible she has an English citizenship/passport, it certainly isn't a certainty and I haven't seen anything to that fact, although I am looking. She may have South African citizenship because of her mother, but that's about it. JackO'Lantern 17:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, i think it's fair to call her English if that's how she wishes to be identified. Perhaps "British" would be better (although i personally think that turn of phrase binds it more to a citizenship issue. I mean, i would never say "i am an English citizen". i think that's more about identity)...If you really have a problem with it, how about "an American-born actress currently based in the UK"?Amo 18:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

But she's not just UK-based, she's English. She may have a US passport, or a British passport, or what not, but if she culturally identifies herself as English that's what she is. If someone identifies themself as a New Englander or a Californian, they are simply stating cultural identity, not their passport's colour. And that is what matters, I am not trying to take away from her US-birth, simply that she is English (maybe British, that needs to be shown). Nick Kerr 18:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Well I admit this is a complicated issue - maybe more than I thought. I guess I'll just go on the assumption that she has English citizenship for now. JackO'Lantern 22:27, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

As I said, she doesn't have to have British citizenship to be English, and there is no such thing as an 'English citizen'. She simply can be an 'American-born English actress' =) Nick Kerr 22:45, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to the "ethnically" comment, because i think your ethnicity more a matter of opinion. "nationally" is more a matter of fact, and we just don't know the facts in this case. How about "culturally", or "despite her birth, she considers herself English"?Amo 20:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Well "ethnicity" usually means someone's ethnic makeup. i.e. half Polish and half Italian, or something like that. I mean, for all we know, she isn't English at all by ethnicity. "Culturally" definitely works, though. JackO'Lantern 20:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd have to agree. Why not just 'she considers herself English', removing the issue of nationality or ethnicity. Cheers, Nick Kerr 22:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

My only quibble with simple using the phrase "she considers herself English" is that it's quite conspicuously blunt. It rather sticks out, especially as it's under her "early life" and it's not really/only a facet of that.Amo 22:27, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe more relevant under Personal life, then? JackO'Lantern 23:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

That could work Nick Kerr 09:24, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The identification as English, rather than British, should stay, especially as it keeps being reverted to something that is cumbersome and does not serve any real point. If Miss Miller considers herself English, and the English consider her English, and she lives in England, then it would follow that she's English. Her identity is thus not particularly disputable. While the issue of national identity has more prominence in the UK (and BOTs), and is not as easily defined by foreign conventions (though most Europeans understand the system), it should be respected as it is. By my understanding, and everyone I know, she would be considered English, though the matter of British is a question of the greater concept of 'Britain' and her passport status. As she further believes herself to be English, and lives here, I fail to see any points of contention. I was also born in the States, have lived in England for less time than she has, but I've only ever known the Americans to consider this to be important, and to have ever considered me American, while Europeans, other Britons (I only have a British passport, so this can't be disuputed), and Commonwealth citizens would think me English. Thus, beyond ignorance, why is this constantly being reverted? Roche-Kerr 18:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

It should say what reliable sources say, i.e. WP:V. So if the majority of sources say she is English (I think they do, right?) that's what we should say. If there's also a significant majority of reliable sources that says "American", I guess it could be "English/American" or "American/English" Mad Jack 18:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is contesting that she is American, hence my frustration with this. Having just checked over Google, and not being the biggest fan of 'on the balance of probabilities', she is listed as being, on various links 'American', 'British', and 'English'. I don't think anyone is arguing where she was born. Also, you'd use 'Anglo-American' if saying someone is English and American =) Roche-Kerr 18:47, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh well, are you happy with the way the article is now? It seems fine Mad Jack 21:41, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, just numbered non-users keep reverting it to 'Culturally English', which is getting quite irritating.Roche-Kerr 00:19, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

If someone considers themselves English or any other background/culture/nationality just from living in the respective country and acting with similar mannerisms, it should be pointed out as such. She was born in the US, with a US born father and South African born Mother. You don't become English just because you really want to or that you live there. If I lived in China my whole life but my parents were not Chinese and I was not born in China, I would not be Chinese or Asian. I may consider myself Chinese but it doesn’t change the fact that I am not. If one thinks of themselves English fine, but it should be pointed out why and who considers it.--63.167.255.231 12:41, 1 January 2007 (UTC)(me)

And that's fine, but not in the opening line of the article (and it is referenced), it's fine if it's mentioned later (though her early life information does explain her moving to England). Furthermore, you might not be ethnically Chinese, but if you speak fluent Chinese, live in Hong Kong, and consider yourself Chinese, I fail to see how you are not. As I've said earlier, the perception by any other English person would be that she is English, she considers herself English, and she lives in England. By your logic, I cannot be English because I wasn't born here, and while my father is British, he's of Cornish descent, not Anglo-Saxon. So she may be referenced as to her motivations for feeling English (as may be possible), but the opening lines should remain.Roche-Kerr 13:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

If your father is British (I am assuming born in the United Kingdom) then sure, you have an inside track, however neither of Miller's parents have such ties to England.

There is no such thing as an 'inside track'. I am descended from people from this island, as both my grandparents (on my mum's side) are Scottish (as in actually Scots). So I'm British, if we're going to use the racial definition, and particularly so as I'm descended from the Celts who were on this island the longest on known record. This does not, however, mean that people who are born in Zimbabwe, move to England as children, have Zimbabwean parents, and speak like me are not English. A very good friend of mine meets that description, went to a public school, and I consider her English, without any hesitation. The characteristic of 'connection' is very tenuous, and while I am a supporter of greater control over citizenship (both for Britain and for other countries), the rules stand as they are, and cultural identity does as well.Roche-Kerr 22:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

mishca burton as born in england but moved to amercia at a young age people consider her amercian Sienna has lived in england from the age of 1 years i find it hard to belive she doesn't have a british passport now after all this time you don't get english,welsh,scotish,northern irish passports only british ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veggiegirl (talk • contribs) 13:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

"She is primarily known for"

The manual of style indicates that the opening paragraph of a biography should record both what someone does and why they are significant. If you don't agree with that opener, i think it should read "who is most famous for playing Francesca in the film [[Casanova..."Amo 19:24, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Living in NYC

well, to be fair she was living there while shooting "interview", but yeah, i haven't seen any evidence that she keeps a home there or anything. Amo 10:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

She also lived there for acting training, as well as being born there. My greatest concern is that she must maintain a residence there, and must spend some visible amount of time there. If I have a house in London and a house in Cornwall, but spend three weeks a year in Cornwall, I think it would be safer to say 'Lives in London, with a holiday home in Cornwall' than 'Lives in London or Cornwall'. Also, there seems to be a bias on Wikipedia about people randomly living in NYC, as I had to change this for Stephen Fry as well, as he was down as New York, when they meant Norfolk =P Cheerio, Roche-Kerr 13:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you're right about eatblishing that, but the article is the best example as it does establish a context for her previous previous connections to NYC. Amo 00:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

There are several bits of vandalism in this page, particuarly saying that Kate Moss is more attractive and talented than Sienna Miller.

Pittsburgh is angry. Don't make Pittsburgh angry. We bite. Kolindigo 01:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Opening para

The opening paragraph is meant to describe who she is and why she's important. that sentence "culterally she considers..." has no place in the opener, and would best be replaced by reference to awards she has won or similar. Her ethicity needs to be incorperated into the article, but seeing as i favour the "america-born english actress" mould i'm at a loss as to how to do it, and think it would be better done by someone else.Amo 13:11, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

I know nothing about Miller. Does she speak with an English or an American accent? Thankz.67.176.14.100 14:58, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Not sure, but considering she calls herself an actress and moved to Southern England as a child and spent a significant amount of time there - her London accent in Layer Cake is terrible! Not quite the Dick Van Dyke school, but surely she could have done better? If not then she should go back to acting school!!

It's NOT 'London' there is no such accent, as it varies all across the capital, it is actually 'Cockney' and pretty accurate actually. Her normal accent is what's termed 'Estuary' but you'd have to be British to know what that is. Alidiginous (talk) 20:47, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

She was on Top Gear 18th July 2009, and she speaks with a British accent and she was the first person to successfully sue the paparazzi to get them off her back which i think is extremely notable and should be included in the first paragraph.122.107.150.4 (talk) 08:13, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Filmography

Yellow-bellied sapsucker has today wiped out the filmography on the questionable basis that it is already linked to IMDb. According to WP:BIO such lists are appropriate. I've copied the removed text below for reference. Wwwhatsup (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Film

Year	Title	Role
2004	Layer Cake	Tammy
	Alfie	Nikki
2005	Casanova	Francesca Bruni
2006	Factory Girl	Edie Sedgwick
2007	Interview	Katya
	Camille	Camille Foster
	Stardust	Victoria
2008	The Edge of Love	Caitlin MacNamara
	The Mysteries of Pittsburgh	Jane Bellwether
	Hippie Hippie Shake	Louise Ferrier
	A Woman of No Importance
2009	G.I. Joe	The Baroness

Television

Year	Title	Role	Notes
2002	The American Embassy	Babe	Season 1, 1 episode
	Bedtime	Stacey	Season 2, 4 episodes
2003	Keen Eddie	Fiona Bickerton

I nominate that the filmography be included in the article. Please indicate support or opposition below. Wwwhatsup (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Look it's no a big deal, but why input a lengthy, unselective filmography when the link to IMDb is already provided?? I am not going to contest whatever you decide to do. I am onto something else. Cheers. Yellow-bellied sapsucker (talk) 22:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

There's no reason to even debate this. This person is under the provenance of Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers and one of the goals of that project is to complete and table filmographies. A link to IMDB isn't sufficient and isn't encyclopedic. I'm returning the filmography. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I concur with the keep. I see two benefits with including the filmography -- enabling wiki-links to the films the actors have been in, and also being able to leave notes about a particular film, such as an award win or a voice role. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 13:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

This is absurd. IMDb is not part of Wikipedia. Does Encyclopedia Britannica delete core information about subjects because the World Book has it covered? Does IMDb delete core information because Yahoo Movies lists it? This is the silliest logic I think I've ever heard on Wikipedia, so I just had to comment! Go look up the word "encyclopedic." --Melty girl (talk) 19:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree entirely, it IS absurd, but then again, the majority of vandalism is carried out by the self-appointed experts in all things who call themselves Mods, or some such, and inevitably put their own spin on everything, changing the face of Wikipedia to to suit their ends, and interpret Jimmy Wales ideal of 'guidelines' as 'rigid rules' to be adhered to with Nazi-like zeal - that's what happens when people spend 18 hours a day glued to the same website.

Okay, rant over Alidiginous (talk) 20:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Robin Hood

I've changed up the section on Robin Hood. The Wikipedia article cited a rumor that she was removed for her partying and extramarital relationships. However, other sources say she was removed because her youth and beauty were too much of a contrast to Russell Crowe's older age and excessive weight.[2] I'm erring on the side of encyclopedias just not having rumors in them period. Chicken Wing (talk) 13:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I just reverted the re-addition of the content. If someone feels that the information is paramount to the article, a discussion needs about its inclusion needs to take place before the content is re-added. Pinkadelica ^{Say it...} 05:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Is she Jewish?

I've read somewhere that her father is.C'est la vie (talk) 19:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Biased section headers?

"Resurgence"? "Continued acclaim"? Can we use some more neutral terms for section names?172.87.33.194 (talk) 19:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Revisiting Nationality in Lede as per MOS:ETHNICITY

Quoting MOS:ETHNICITY: Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. [emphasis mine] Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability. Based on this, "American-British actress" or "American-English actress" in the lede (or in the {{Short description}}) is incorrect, as those are ethnicities, not nationalities.

The correct construction for this at this article's lede is either "American and British actress" or "American and English actress". The note at the end of MOS:ETHNICITY is directly relevant here – there is no preference for "British" over "English". As Miller seems to self-identify as "English", we should go with "English" over "British". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Note as “first cousin once removed” in the infobox?

Why there is a note as “first cousin once removed” in relatives section within the infobox? What does it really mean? Thanks. 176.55.121.101 (talk) 12:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)