Talk:Silver Millennium/Archive 1

Archive 1

Serenity merge

I propose merging Queen Serenity into this article. They're intricately tied to eachother, and a lot of the info in the two articles is redundant. Combining them would result in better coverage of both.

This seems noncontroversial, since it's similar to the villain merges, but I'll give it a few days. If no one objects, I'll make the merge on Tuesday, September 12. --Masamage 23:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

PS: Unless someone can give me a reference for the name "The Mark of the Silver Millennium," I'm going to remove it at the same time I merge in Queen Serenity. I'll leave the information about the forehead symbol, but if the title doesn't come from somewhere canonical it needs to go. --Masamage 08:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. Lots of new stuff, too! Hooray for The Oracle~ -Masamage 09:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Princess Merge

shouldnt the princess artical be merged with this?~~

Yes yes it should, Since its at your page now Masmage, We kinda need your permission to go and move it. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Definitely not a straigt-over merge, just an integration of some of the info. I'll get to it after finals. --Masamage 21:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Image

On the Page for the Odango hair Style they have this picture of Queen Serenity I was wonder if we should flag that one for delaton and put the one we have there (the one were useing to show the mark on her head) or vise versa. Also that image shows that the mark on her forhead is actually a head band/ Crown, not a mark like we thought. --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:32, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Ask them, I guess. Or maybe the odango article is in our scope? But it's really weird that it's an article about the hairstyle rather than the food. It probably needs to be rewritten... --Masamage 21:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

That's kind of strange... I don't recall her wearing any type of tiara in the anime... -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 08:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, looking through some pics of her, I see that she did have some jewels on her forehead. But, seeing as how Princess Serenity does not have them and that Chibiusa inherited the crest, it is part of her, and not an accessory. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 08:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

The PGSM costumers used a little metal/plastic thing rather than face paint, so it might have been an accessory there. Or it might not. X) --Masamage 16:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Remember though: The moon mark only appeared on Venus as part of the disgusise, and on Moon and Chibi Moon after they acquired the Ginzoushou, thus marking and marking them as senshi. The queen wasn't a senshi and wears a decorative crescent. Lego3400: The Sage of Time 19:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Chibiusa shows the crescent scant episodes after she first appears, long before she becomes a Senshi or gets her hands on the Ginzuishou. --Masamage 01:17, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

It had been absorbed into her body before she appeared and then appears near the end of R.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 02:59, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

...And it's debatable whether Neo-Queen Serenity (who also has the crest) is still a Senshi. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Anyways back on topic... Should we swap one of the images or leave them as is?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 03:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The pic on the hair style page shows more of Queen Serenity's odango, which it what the pic is used to represent. Our page is about the Silver Millennium and shows more of the queen and less of her hair because the article is not about odango. I think they are both fine where they are at. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 08:42, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Time Period?

I thought that in the Manga the Silver Millenium was the name of the kingdom itself, and it was only a time period in the dub and possibly in the anime. Isn't there a line where someone is talking to Sailor Moon about inheriting her kingdom and refers to it directly as the Silver Millenium? Jupiterzguy 04:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. You're right, and I see that the article is confusingly worded at the moment. I'll edit it myself when I get the chance; if someone else wants to give it a whack before then, feel free! -Masamage 04:41, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Something to note when we edit: Silver Millennium is the term applied to both the Moon Kingdom and Crystal Tokyo. --Masamage 05:55, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Since the first attempt at change got reverted (presumably due to the removal of the Mare Serenitatis bit), I gave it another try and worked all this in. Seems to have gone okay. --Masamage 06:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I took a very wild stab at editing, but you did it better anyway. Anyway, I thought Crystal Tokyo was referred to as a new Silver Millennium, ie it is a kingdom like Silver Millenium was but is not actually that kingdom.

okay, ignore all that stuff I just said. This "According to the Sailor Moon R series, a second Silver Millennium is built on Earth some time during the 20th century, this time known specifically as Crystal Tokyo." Is good enough for me. Just didn't notice.Jupiterzguy 16:24, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Should the siver crystal be murged with this because the silver crystal is needed to create both the Moon Kingdom and Crystal Tokyo and keep all the pepole alive for ever (btw Is that how they survived on the moon with no air?) ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 18:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it might be a good idea to merge it here. It also might be good to merge it with Sailor Crystal, so let's talk about it at Talk:Silver Crystal. --Masamage 19:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Contents of old Silver Crystal talk page

Historical note: The Silver Crystal article was rated stub-class on the WP:Anime scale.

Versions

The Mystical Silver Crystal works differently depending on which version of Sailormoon we're talking about. I'm only experienced in the Japanese anime, so I need someone with more general knowledge to complete the page. Danny Lilithborne 21:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

its a bit diffrent in the dub only Queen Serenity died the rest only lost energy and it wasnt wakend after the fight with beryl and it didnt revive the senshi after the dd girls killed them because the wher kidnapt and some lines sayd that beryl and death phantom where only banished useing the silver crystal but charcters also sayd they died Sailor cuteness 17:30, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

I added manga info, moved and arranged the info so it's manga first, then anime. I listed the differences under the anime. If anyone wants to add to it, I would do it. This article, if it's to be merged should be formatted after the merger. Sailor Crystal merger is looking like a good option, if it gets merged into the Sailor Senshi page then the Sailor Crystal should be changed to "crystals" because the Ginzuishou is technically not a Sailor Crysal, nor are the starseeds. Starseeds are more SM lore than anything related to the Senshi. Oh, and PGSM should be listed and also a picture of each version of said crystal. --Hitsuji Kinno 18:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

"It can take on a round, diamond, or lotus shape." Doesn't it take on a Star and Heart shape when in the Brooches?Lego3400: The Sage of Time 21:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Good catch. Adding it. --Masamage 00:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Also in all but Sailor Moon's second brooch, its red (in the anime) which is odd considering its called "The silver Crystal" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sailor cuteness (talk • contribs)

Most of the transformations reveal her various brooches opening up to reveal the crystal inside. It's always silver. --Masamage 21:31, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Actully Its red.. I've seen the hensin's dozens of times. Starting with the third one its red while in the brooch, only in the second henshin is it silver. Chibiusa's is also pink in her first one, and red in the second. I'll get images to back this up if you don't belive it.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Article name

As far as I know, the literal translation of Maboroshi no Ginzuishou is "Illusion Silver Crystal." Should we rename this article to that, to "Silver Crystal (Sailor Moon)," or to something else? I don't think it should stay the way it is. --Masamage 22:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I've just learned that "Phantom," at least, is just as legitimate a translation of maboroshi as "Illusion" (still no idea about "Mystical"), so here's a more specific proposal. What say we move the article to Silver Crystal? That lets us escape using a specific translation, it requires no disambiguation (it's currently a redirect to this page), it covers both the Illustion Silver Crystal and the Silver Moon Crystal, and the thing is frequently referred to in the series as just the Ginzuishou anyway. What does everyone think? --Masamage 00:41, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with this. -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 00:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like a plan. Danny Lilithborne 00:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

'Kay. I'll move it now; if someone disagrees, it's easily reverted and we can keep discussing. --Masamage 21:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

rainbow crystals

should the rainbow crystals be mentiond in here or should i or someone elce make a seprate page for them if i do it will look alfull because i cant spell lolz it mite need mega editing lolz Sailor cuteness 22:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

That's a good idea. I think they should certainly be mentioned here. --Masamage 23:25, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

As well as the seven individuals who were born with them? -SaturnYoshi ^{THE VOICES} 02:30, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

yer il use my dvds to get both names Sailor cuteness 11:02, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible merging

Should this article, given how short it is, be merged with something else? Perhaps Silver Millennium or Sailor Crystal? --Masamage 19:56, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that masamage idear to murge with Sailor Crystal is better idear then that dummys idear to murge with Moon kingdom lolz because it is a star seed and the silver mellenum only use it as a item ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It only becomes a Sailor Crystal later, is the thing. It was only at item in the Moon Kingdom; Princess Serenity was never supposed to be a Senshi, but because she became one, the Ginzuishou evolves into a Sailor Crystal for her. --Masamage 20:07, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

what about merging with usagi because its hers and all forms are used by her (apart from pink moon crystal) ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. I mainly don't think that's a good idea because of how connected it is with the Moon Kingdom and with the original Queen... --Masamage 20:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I completly forgot about her poor Queen Serenty. Was the silver crystal created in the Moon Kingdom? because then it should be merged with it ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 20:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

It was definitely the source of the Moon Kingdom's power, just like it's the source of Crystal's Tokyo's power. So yeah, Silver Millennium is a pretty reasonable merge. --Masamage 20:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

whoo the dummy was right to sugest the merge to silver millennium ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 21:00, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Iv did a merge on my sand box dose it look good? Silver Crystal merg ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 21:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure it will work; for now the thing to do is put it on the WikiProject page and give the idea few days so people can discuss it. No hurry. --Masamage 21:08, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I made a slight edit to your sandbox version EP. I made all the stuff about the Silver crystal sub sections. Just for orginazaion purposes.--Lego3400: The Sage of Time 17:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

cool ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 17:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

should we start the murge soon? ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 11:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Give it a few more days for etiquette's sake. I'll put up a notice that if no one disapproves by Friday, March 9th we'll move forward. --Masamage 18:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

How the Crystal Works in the Manga

Should this be added? It was explicitly stated in the manga. It's thinner ice on the anime side. Also the Live Action should be mentioned (and anything related to other versions, such as Musicals, etc) --Hitsuji Kinno 16:48, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Aren't there already sections for those? --Masamage 17:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Not the emotional quality of said crystal. i.e. the emotions of the user influence the crystal. Explicitly said by Queen Serenity in Volume 3 of the manga when they went to the moon. (the Shinzouban rewrote sme of that speech, but the conten is the same.)

The other thing to note is if we should include Serenity Palace or not. It's in the anime, not necessarily the manga. I have screencaps of it. It's in the opening of SMR and mentioned in the SMR Anime book (with the name). It also shows up in the episode where Chibiusa/Small Lady is having a flashback about her birthday when she looks over the city proper. The building in the background is Serenity Palace. I'm not sure if it's worth the mention, since it's a bit obscure... but it might be worth it.--Hitsuji Kinno 23:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like it'd only take half a sentence to add it in, so sure. Is it the capitol building of Crystal Tokyo, or what? (Still haven't seen any R in Japanese...) --Masamage ♫ 23:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

You can see it in the ADV big boxed version. If you'd like I can show the screencap. It's clear that in the anime this is the section of the palace where they live (Top center spire, at the top of the spire). This is because in the Chibiusa episode with the birthday the Sailors go into the Palace and then Chibiusa follows them and that's where they hold the birthday. So I'm pretty sure it's where the throne room, etc is and where the royal family within Crystal Tokyo live. But the game and the manga don't seem to really support this idea. So it's most likely an anime-only thing. (Messes with spatial proportions of said palace.) Should I cie the episodes too? And the emotional quality of the ginzuishou wouldn't be hard to add with reference either. --Hitsuji Kinno 13:54, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

P.S. Here's the links. http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/serenitypalace.jpg http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/serenitypalace01.jpg http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/serenitypalace02.jpg http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/serenitypalace03.jpg http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/serenitypalace04.jpg

(I also have screencaps of the older Sailors with it in the background from the same episode. http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/futuremercuryvenus.jpg http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/futurejupitermars.jpg

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/

Also has other places within Sailormoon, such as the castles and stuff... but that should be listed elsewhere.

Oh and I know it's the top spire because it shows it in the opening animation (about the time that Serenity falls to her knees).

BTW the moon kingdom shot you have up is from the game (opening animation), I believe, not the anime. I *do* have a anime shot. Interesting trivia none of the versions drew that building the same. The game, anime, manga and PGSM all had a different rendering of it. --Hitsuji Kinno 14:02, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hm, you're probably right. Yeah, let's have an anime one then. --Masamage ♫ 15:48, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/9Mooncastle.jpg

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/moonkingdom.jpg

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/Moonpalace.jpg

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/Moonpalace2.jpg

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/Moonpalace3.jpg

http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/moonpalace4.jpg

These are options, the first one is from an American book which is a screen capture of the dialogue where Queen Serenity tells about the past. I heavily edited that one--just in case that's an issue. I took out Princess Serenity (Which ironically was added in for the book). The second one I think is a screen cap of episode one's prologue. I remember the words "a long time ago." I screencapped that one. The next few are screencaps from the openings. Technically it's the Moon Kingdom rather than just the palace (castle in the manga, palace in the anime) However there are clear anime fan sub tags. They are from episode 42. I *can screen cap them from the original ADV, but I'm not sure if that would be alright (Minus the subs which are burned). You can also see the Moon Palace in the previous opening (earlier in series 1) in pieces. --Hitsuji Kinno 00:29, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Artemis during Crystal Tokyo

When Diana first shows up in the anime she says that Luna told her alot about Artemis ("Mama told me alot about you" or some thing like that). But why would Luna have to tell her anything? Is it possible that something happend to him? I want to know so I can put some info on their whereabouts during this time, like I did for the Senshi. --Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing when watching it I hope he isnt Kiddnaped by the negaverce lol ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 15:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

That was the feeling i got... I dunno...Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

powered down

how come in anime all the Inner Senshi and Pluto reach Super form in our timeline but in Crystal Tokyo there in there first form again? ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 15:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Good heavens. I don't know. o___O --Masamage ♫ 15:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Easy.. The forms we'ern't created yet. The outer senshi and the Super forms were never in the oringal plans. As they forms hadn't been created yet... they coulnd't show them.Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

oh I see but in storyline terms thats big plot hole ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Right. The meta-explanation is obvious; it's within the story that it's weird. The Crystal Tokyo Senshi have some other weirdnesses too, though, like wearing pink lipstick. Maybe this all ties into the theory that the Crystal Tokyo people are a new incarnation altogether, and in the future they haven't yet regained their Super forms. Or something. --Masamage ♫ 21:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Lipsick is only used by the outers.... Why would the Guardian Senshi be wearing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

Well it look liked they wear the Sailor Senshi outfit all the time so they might just wear lipstick as a accessory as we would ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 16:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

It makes them look older and more refined. *shrug* --Masamage ♫ 17:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Mabye its not a transformed outfit there wearing but might be like a roayl outfit and they not in Senshi form just a civilan outfit they wear and can transform into super Senshi ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 17:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Reset indent. Lipstick is used to make them look older it's consistent with other characters too. Ikuko, Neo-Queen Serenity and Queen Serenity all wear lip stick. When Usagi wore lipstick, she asked Luna if that made her look more mature. When she wore it again, Luna said she looked "adult". --;; I'm such a geek. As for the Sailor suits, if you want a fan-made answer... the Sailors wear their original uniforms to conserve on power. ^.~ The real answer is that Takeuchi didn't start planning ahead of arc until about SM Infinity. You can see the manga story unite at that point and a lot of the smaller themes that aren't spoken come together better in the manga. BTW, we should address the picture issues...--Hitsuji Kinno 06:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Guardian Senshi

We know the Guardian senshi ((I'm forceing myself here so i don't mess up in an article)) lived in Crystal Tokyo... Did the Manga say if they lived in the palace with the Royal Family? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lego3400 (talk • contribs)

Please sign your comments. As to the question, I don't know offhand. --Masamage ♫ 17:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I think they did they where shown at the palace with Chibiusa and at the birthday party and in flash back they where shown there so I think they might have ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 19:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

In AS game they did... I believe. --Hitsuji Kinno 06:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Images

Only one image is really needed here... An image of the Rainbow Crystals...Lego3400: The Sage of Time 15:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm already afraid of getting lynched for as many images as we're using. I think one of the Queen Serenity shots needs to go. --Masamage ♫ 17:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Mabye get rid of the top one because the second Serenity image shows her hole body ♥Fighting for charming Love♥

Why are you afraid miss admin??? also i find the one of her whole body kinda ugly... Lego3400: The Sage of Time 18:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Because there're so many. The Serenity ones are both of the same character in the same media in the same episode, so it's probably not fair use at all. I do think that if we go down to one image, we should come up with a better one that both shows her whole body and is not ugly. :) --Masamage ♫ 19:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Il use my DVDs and see if i can get a better picture :P ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 20:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Building/fall

Question: if 'According to the Sailor Moon R series, a second Silver Millennium is built on Earth some time during the 20th century, this time known specifically as Crystal Tokyo.' is true, wouldn't that imply that modern-day Tokyo is the 'Crystal Tokyo' from the future? Technically the 20th century ended 7 years ago. This would raise the question about how modern-day Tokyo changes into what we see in the series (the whole crystallic look 'n feel). Is this the influence of the Senshi (which would imply that they're (helping) building the city, which would make the point in the article somewhat misleading, since their influence doesn't start until very late 20th century and will (probably) continue throughout the following centuries), or does the city itself evolve towards it (which would also lead to 'is being built sometime between the 20th and 30th century' being a better point to make, since we know that the building couldn't happen before the 20th or after the 30th century)?

Also, since this pretty much goes under the same headline, when was the end of the Silver Millennium from the past? I think this is an important bit of information and I've seen quite a few discussions concerning it. Because of the name (and possibly information given in the dub), a lot of people assume it to have been 1000 years ago, but that couldn't possibly be true, due to the fact that there's no historical evidence concerning this whatsoever in the entire series. In the (subtitles of the) live action however, Queen Beryl states that she 'has waited for tens of thousands of years' before she could finally lay her hands on Endymion. This could very well be closer to the truth, but is still an estimate and frankly, if there were some disaster as posed in the live action, then surely this would have also left some kind of evidence, if it had only occurred between 100k and 10k years ago. Anyone have an opinion/insight on that? --Zyppora 10:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm making a new section for this so that people can find it.

If the series had continued, then the early 2000s would be early Crystal time, because according to the manga, Neo-Queen Serenity rises to the throne when she's 22. She's 16 at the end of Stars. There is zero information given about how or when the city is built or by whom, so we can't include any. "Some time between the 20th and 30th centuries" would probably be a much better idea," or even "Sometime after Neo-Queen Serenity's ascension to the throne at age 22", since I don't think that information is in here yet.

The Silver Millennium of the past was extremely, extremely prehistoric. In Act 10 of the manga, Queen Serenity says that after it went down, all life on both worlds was destroyed and evolution started over from the beginning. So hundreds of millions of years is more like it. --Masamage ♫ 15:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, that at least makes more sense than 'sometime during the 20th century' ;) Also, I hope you mean the timeframe when you say 'prehistoric', as the civilisations seemed extremely advanced, especially in technology. The Moon Kingdom is more than once shown with a shield around it. Then there's the supercomputer Luna/Artemis uses to retrieve information about the past life. All in all, I'd like to think they were anything but prehistoric when it comes to that.

Hundreds of millions of years seems like an estimation that might be fairly accurate (as in percentage-wise). In fact, if I look at our own world history, we have had plenty of extinction-level events that have not been solidly explained yet, the most notable of them being the extinction of dinosaurs (yes, the impact of a meteor is also but a theory, as far as I remember), and that only happened 66 million years ago. We have had ice ages that may hide evidence of less-natural events causing a major decrease in numbers and species. The same thing could very well be true for the metaseries, but because of irrelevance was never revealed (read: Takeuchi-sensei didn't think of it and simply wanted a 'tragedy' to occur).

Which makes me think of something else, and this may be just have a simple answer: was the Earth really destroyed (or were the inhabitants wiped out) during the destruction of the Moon Kingdom? The Live Action seems to claim such, but I seem to remember from the anime that this was not the case, that Queen Serenity managed to seal Metallia before the Earth was affected. --57.67.193.54 13:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

"Pre-historic" means "before history", not "uncivilized".

Earth itself was not destroyed, just all the life wiped out. Same for the moon. This is in the manga, where the only people who are sent forward in time to be reincarnated are the Guardian Senshi, Princess Serenity, Endymion, and the cats. The Outer Senshi are left to fend for themselves. In the anime, Queen Serenity saves everyone in the Moon Kingdom from dying by sending everybody forward through time, and Earth is not wiped out. --Masamage ♫ 17:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

The anime and manga vary on this storyline though. The fall of the moon kingdom and how the mechanics work differ... for example in the manga Sailor Saturn is shown restarting evolution of the universe (Volume 9 or 10--I don't remember which, but it was the birth of Sailor Saturn in the past), whereas the anime just shows a total wipe out. Only one source mentioned 22 as the age... the anime, I believe, didn't. --Hitsuji Kinno 06:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

family

does anywhere mention what happend to the Senshi family like usagi's perents and brother like if they have any royal titels because there related to the queen ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 20:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope. --Masamage ♫ 20:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

well it is in the 30th centry I assume they died before crystal Tokyo was built ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 21:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Usagi becomes Neo-Queen Serenity when she's 22, and she's got Chibiusa before then. Presumably the Tsukinos are around for a while; they might even still be around, since everyone in Crystal Tokyo has an extremely lengthened lifespan. At the most, though, they'd be princes and a princess, and have no powers or anything important to do. This is assuming that Neo-Queen Serenity is in fact Usagi. She might be a post-Chaos reincarnation, in which case Ikuko-tachi are out of the picture. --Masamage ♫ 23:06, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I believe in the second season of the anime it is explained that those close to the Ginzuishou have their lifespans lengthened (which explains the Senshi to live for a full millennium at least, and Chibi-Usa's age of 900). This would insinuate that the Tsukino family, who are pretty much as close as it gets to the (bearer of the) Ginzuishou, survived all that time into the 30th century. However, there is no notice of this anywhere. Perhaps some hints towards this are revealed in Chibi-Usa's reaction when she first meets the Tsukino family? --Zyppora 12:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

The manga talks about the lifespan too. In the anime, Chibiusa's meeting with Usagi's parents happens offstage; in the manga, she doesn't say much to them at all until after they're hypnotized, so that could go either way. --Masamage ♫ 17:25, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't confuse storylines. ^^;; Chibiusa in the anime has her age undisclosed (Said to look 8). In the anime they were put in a "deep sleep" and it's unclear when Chibiusa was born. Since there was a war mentioned in *both* the manga and the anime, they could also been wiped out. King Endymion in the manga specifically said something about the majority of the population being wiped out. So chances for them are 50-50. Slimmer chances in the manga I think because of the double war models mentioned and less of the population mentioned surviving.

In royalty Shingo would be a Duke or a Grand Duke, Ikuko would become Queen Mother which in most models has a lot of inner-palace power. And Kenji would become useless. Politically this would put Shingo in line for the throne and in direct opposition to Neo-Queen Serenity and maybe Chibiusa--many dukes killed their rivals, and then became regent over their nephews. When the nephew was a problem and they had children, they killed the nephew before the nephew could reproduce legitimately. It would be worse to make Shingo a Prince because they puts him in line for the throne directly meaning Neo-Queen Serenity would put Small Lady in danger. (I read a lot of royalty-driven historical novels.) Politically, it would be better to honor them and keep them outside of the palace (Many Korean and Japanese courts do this to make it harder for an assassination. It's Queen Mother, King, Queen, Queen's children. The heir is chosen all the other possible heirs are kicked out of the palace with their court and wives.).--Hitsuji Kinno 07:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like medieval practices. I must admit I can't see Shingo murdering Chibi-Usa, but I guess when power lies for the taking ... --Zyppora 11:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Will somebody please write this fanfiction? :D --Masamage ♫ 15:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I have a feeling Papirini could pull it off if she wasn't so busy. --Hitsuji Kinno 01:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Just to comment on this old thing... Iruko mama would likely get the throne before Shingo. The Moon Kingdom monarchy is passed through WOMEN not men. Even if Shingo was the queen's brother, her mother would likely get it if something happened to Serenity and Small Lady. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.217.34 (talk) 17:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, we have no idea how the Moon Kingdom's power is passed down. Every example we've seen had a family where the only possible heir is female. --Masamage ♫ 18:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Diana says that "generation after generation, only one heir is born to the queen" so I guess it wouldn't be an issue. XD But would Shingo really be in line for the throne? For one, Crystal Tokyo is on Earth, which technically belongs to Endymion. And anyway, the Silver Millennium's throne belongs to the family of Queen Serenity, not Tsukino Ikkuko. I guess medieval practices never really took reincarnation into account...

129.137.195.213 (talk)

Moon Symbol

In the article it says "Because no residents of the Moon Kingdom, except for the royal family, are ever shown in any version of the series, it is not certain whether this is a sign of royalty or simply of citizenship" but in episode 44 it shows "Moon people" at the party before the Dark Kingdom attacks and they don't have the moon symbols on there for heads. ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ 15:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Good point.. also there was a specific mention about how it was the mark of the royal family in the manga... (Small Lady lacks the mark her mother does is one of the reasons she was teased.)--Hitsuji Kinno 17:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Switching Image

If there are no objections I'm switching the image of the moon palace to: http://sailormoon.takeuchi-naoko.com/pics/places/moonkingdom.jpg

'cause that one is from the game and no one voted, so I'm going for the clearest one that's a screenshot.--Hitsuji Kinno 17:10, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I voted! I was in favor. X) --Masamage ♫ 20:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I meant in favor of which image. XD I didn't know which to post. I hope the one I chose is OK. And I still don't know what to do about Serenity Palace... should it just get light mention or should it get an image too? It seems to be anime only and messes with the scale of the palace... (Is it even of note? It seems a lot of the action happens there.)--Hitsuji Kinno 01:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I think a brief mention would be excellent (and sufficient), especially in light of your parenthetical. The image looks good; it seems sort of grainy? Or is that just how the animation is for that part? It also needs to be shrunk somewhat. --Masamage ♫ 01:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I captured it from the ADV video... so that's the best I have. Unless someone wants to fund me about 100 dollars to get the appropriate DVD from Japan. (70 for the disk, about 30 for shipping.) ^.~ As for shrinking, Anyone who wants to volunteer can do it.--Hitsuji Kinno 22:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Mistake

I will admit that I made a mistake in editing the page, and then made it worse by trying to fix it. This was not an act of vandalism. The first section of the entire article should be re-seperated. 12.192.135.136 20:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem; easy to fix. :) In the future, check out the 'history' button at the top of the page, where you can look at any previous version of an article and easily switch back to the correct version. --Masamage ♫ 06:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:CrystalTokyo.jpg

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I'm not sure what this is about, since the image does in fact have a rationale for this article. I guess the bot is screwing up? --Masamage ♫ 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

What happend to the moon kingdom

In the manga at the end of the dark kingdom its brought back but Sailor Moon stays on earth but in the lover of princess kaguya the astronorts go to the moon and the moon kingdom is not there ♥Fighting for charming Love♥ (talk) 12:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

The moon is pretty big, and the kingdom itself is not populated, since Usagi chose not to go back. I suppose they landed somewhere other than the capitcal city. --Masamage ♫ 18:05, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Queenserenity.jpg

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Actually, I don't think having two images of her in this article is justifiable, so I'd just as soon let this go through... --Masamage ♫ 19:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Queen Serenity's origin

In the manga, Queen Nehellenia reveals at Princess Serenity's birth that Queen Serenity is not from the moon[1]. In the Mixx version, Nehellenia claims that they both came from another galaxy, but this seems to be wrong, especially as a picture of the Milky Way is shown with Nehellenia's comments superimposed over it. Either way, Queen Serenity does not seem to be a native resident of the moon, and her appearance at the Galaxy Cauldron prior to Serenity's birth in the Guardian Cosmos' flashback seems to somewhat support this as well - should this be included in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meteorie (talk • contribs) 22:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Find some sources and we'll see what comes of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.217.34 (talk) 17:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Um, those were sources. Look, there's even a link. (And I think yes, Meteorie.) --Masamage ♫ 18:54, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Luna and Artemis

Those who are more familiar with the manga than I am: are Luna and Artemis ever actually shown in the future? At all? I don't seem to find them in the second arc, but maybe I'm missing it. --Masamage ♫ 01:09, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe this shows Luna and Artemis in the future. R, Act 19 (I think). -- RattleMan 01:16, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

19, looks like. And yeah, that's definitely the future; appears to be Diana curled up to her parents' bodies. I think the Luna and Artemis of the past came on that trip too (hard to tell; I don't have my copy of volume 5 yet), but Chibiusa wouldn't talk about how Diana missed them if she was currently cuddled up to them. I'll reinsert the bit about them all living in the palace. --Masamage ♫ 01:32, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Power Guardians image

I am not convinced that we can really justify using this image. It doesn't actually show anything new; the Princesses are shown in the section directly above, and the Guardians themselves look exactly like the Senshi, as shown in their individual articles. The image seems to be for decoration only. --Masamage ♫ 05:53, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

It does show the size differance and I am working on an composite image that shows just them from the various shots WikiMoon has. Its almost done.Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 18:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

This image is definitely not justifiable; the size difference is explained by saying they're very small, and a composite image would count as like eight images as far as fair use is concerned. I'll remove it now. --Masamage ♫ 20:51, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Ice Skating

It is noted that in episode 39 Artemis states that ICE SKATING was the most popular sport in the moon kingdom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

While it is interesting triva, we really can't add it. It doesn't fit in any particuar section and Wikipeida frowns on triva sections (I personally love them but alas its not my choice). Wikimoon would probably be glad to take the info though :D Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 18:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Mmk' then. It would be kinda silly to have a trivia page for an article about a fictional kingdom with a culture based entirely the worship and protection of costume jewelry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.104.226.174 (talk) 18:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

The Silver crystal is more than a peice of costume Jewelery. It is the most powerful item with in the Sailor Moon Universe. Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Man, I would love to find a place for the ice skating thing. It's so goofy and cute. I bet it can be snuck into the paragraph about how they were technologically advanced... --Masamage ♫ 22:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

More on images

Just for everyone's information, I've removed the Silver Crystal image as being excessive and not very useful. It was mostly just a pink square, and in the middle was an unclear image of something silver and crystalline. In fact, it pretty much just looks like its own name, so we can save ourselves the fair-use worries and just leave it out. --Masamage ♫ 20:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The "non-free" paramater doesn't appear to be supported by {{Articleissues}}, so I went ahead and removed it. I also removed two images, the one mentioned above and the one mentioned slightly higher above of the Sailor Power Guardians. We're now down to four, each of which is illustrating something that appears to need illustration. (The only one I'm not sure about is the Queen, who basically looks like her daughter and so might not need to be shown.) Any thoughts? --Masamage ♫ 21:19, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Another Story: Earth and Moon Kingdoms

Intresting Tidbit, In the Another story game you can exlpore the The Sivler Millenium (Before and after it's destrution), The earth Kingdom and Crystal Tokyo. Interestingly You can go to the skateing rink and they even mention Juptier going there alot. Ohter things of note there are You talk to the Queen and she Reconizes Usagi as the Princess's Reincarnation. Usagi then Indoduces her to Chibi Moon. The earh Kingdom's castle is located at the North Pole,as is Beryl's castle, where you can talk to Beyrl shortly before she turns evil (She still looks the same though strangely) Lego3400: The Sage of Time (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Loss of Transformation

Is this true? According to WikiMoon, the silver crystal was used to turn the world into the 2nd Silver Millennium during Neo-Queen Serenity's ascension as the queen, rendering anyone ageless. However, one important side effect of this was that she lost the ability to become Sailor Moon. If this is true, will we add this to the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mines32 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

It is true, but it doesn't need to be in this article. The Sailor Moon article already talks about it. --Masamage ♫ 16:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)