Talk:Simranjit Singh Mann

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I removed much of the article due to significant bias and non-NPOV issues. It's copied here so people can see why more easily. This article needs a fair bit of work to meet NPOV standadrds...

Simranjit Singh is the main voice of Sikhs against the Hindu policital and social organisations and a well known face of the general anti Hindu polemic spouted by the neo Sikhs of the modern era. He is regarded as an icon of Sikhs who identify themselves in terms of their identity being as anti-Hindu rather than the positive outlook animating the earlier Sikh formations. He is a maverick politician with little following amogst the mainstream in his home state of Punjab where many regard him as a stooge of the existing political system Simranjit Singh is constantly pushing an extremists driven agenda with a thinly veiled link to internationally proscribed terrorist groups often masquerading under the cover of human rights His main popularity is amongst the Sikh Right wingers who are often pushing a return to the violence that plagued Punjab during the 1980's. he has also been at the forefront of campaigns to restrict the preaching of Sikhism to 'pure' Sikhs in an ever expaning 'Talibanisation' of a faith which once prided itself on opposing existing prejudices, Such notios of purity have resulted in an increasing a vitriolic atmosphere charged with race , caste, regional and religious hatreds —Preceding unsigned comment added by AntarcticPenguin (talk • contribs) 01:18, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

This current page is simply embarrassing in its biases and lack of cites. I would propose using the June 17 revision by 67.84.186.253 (not me — I just did the "citation needed" before), but a bot appears to have changed it back.Misaligned —Preceding undated comment added 15:27, 8 June 2009 (UTC).

The following are by no means factual, and indeed are extraordinarily biased: "general anti Hindu polemic spouted by the neo Sikhs of the modern era." I would object to this, as you seem to take out of context- Hindustan, led by a majority of Hindus, resulted in a sikh genocide, and sikh ethnic cleansing 1984-1994. Mann represents anti- state terror. If you wish to just categorise this under anti- hindu, that is like saying someone who is anti American state terror is anti christian. He is opposed to anti hindu extremism.

" stooge of the existing political system" "constantly pushing an extremists driven agenda with a thinly veiled link to internationally proscribed terrorist groups often masquerading under the cover of human rights " There is no masquerading of human rights. India systematically abused, raped, massacred and tortured hundreds of thousands of sikhs 1984-1994. Please read some history and don't be just blind and asleep relying on a few Indian newspapers. an agenda of extremism that is pushing against state extremism? who is the extremist with all due respect? "Manns apparent concern for human rights has not extended to the plight of Sikhs in Pakistan..." "Many Sikhs try and hide the uncomfortable truth about their leaders and psuedo struggle for equal rights which masquerades behind the real agenda of supremacy as enunciated in the Anandpur Resolution of 1972" Why is there a pseudo struggle for equal rights. It is a struggle that means that factually - you have Jaspal Singh, Gurdaspur shot at and killed by Indian police last year for protesting against the death penalty but no Shiv Sena or hindu protestors shot at? Also, the grammar is atrocious, and the last line is, inappropriately, neither in English nor translated to English. My motivation, since it has been brought up, is that of a cranky academic who dislikes poorly-written Wikipedia entries.--Misaligned (talk) 17:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the summary is very much to the point and excellent. The person who coments above has to get over themselves and their lack of interest in getting to facts around the person which I think the biographer has done.

"there seems to be a motivated attempt to avoid certain aspets of SS Manns life and career which are seemingly uncomfortable for certain sections Punjab today is suffering from a situation where people are beig murdered for speaking the truth but I feel at lease on the internet the truth should remain unaltered without fear of murder and death. The amended article makes references to known facts and the ground level reality of Punjab India. Accordingly in the interest of presenting the truth I am impelled to revert to the previous version." (This section written by Karnail Jutha, recopied by Misaligned in order to preserve the older posts. Please don't delete older posts in the Talk section.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Misaligned (talk • contribs) 18:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Please address above issues. The quoted sections are inherently editorial, not factual. If, however, SS Mann is known for "anti Hindu polemic[s]" (and I wouldn't be shocked if he is), then you can simply find something he said that's quoted online and post it under the current contents, with an in-text citation. That way, the reader can see the facts and draw their own conclusions, rather than being treated to an out-of-place editorial.--Misaligned (talk) 18:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Certain References are available in support of the comments raised in the article of the present form:

(1) That the propogation of the Anandpur Sahib Resolution by some Sikhs political interests also includes certain references to preeminence (as opposed to equality) and also derogotary references to Hinduism (" saltish sea waters of incoherent Hinduism)

www.khalistan-affairs.org/media/pdf/Anandpur_Sahib_Resolution.pdf

(2) Link to newspaper report where Mr Mann admits being the grandson of Aroor Singh

Also interesting to note is that article also refers to Mr Mann and his followers allegedly damaging the statuete of a former CM of Punjab murdered by Khalistani extremists

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2007/20070530/ldh1.htm

(3) heres some links by his party to just some of his comments on what are otherwise secular matters outside of the realm of religion which are quite self evidently pouring with anti Hindu rhetoric

https://akalidalamritsar.sslpowered.com/akalidalamritsar.net/Home%20News%20Web%20Pages/2009/June2009/comment%20all%2020%20jun.htm

(4) In contrast to the above refer to his comments in respect of poll tax being enforced by the Taliban on Sikhs in Pakistan -

http://mail.sarai.net/pipermail/reader-list/2009-April/019133.html

(5) Support for the assasins of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi and for a independent theocratic state for Sikhs

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/view/17086/38/

29th June 2009

I have reverted to the previous article as I noted that the disucssion was far from complete and rather than engage in debate some peoples have chosen to revert to the previous version

To be fair, Kutha, the version up right now was the result of some back and forth several weeks ago — IOW, it *is* a consensus version. However, I promise that I'll take a look at your links tonight and see if we can add SS Mann's political views into the article in a useful manner. Deal? --Misaligned (talk) 18:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, let me retract that. The current article is from before we reached a consensus (actually, it's taken more or less line from line from the Sikh wiki.) Since it doesn't seem that we can reach a consensus, and (frankly) I'd need to be able to read Hindi to find my own resources, I suggest you guys can fight it out however you please. I'll revert the article to the consensus from two weeks ago — take my advice, and just modify it, don't rewrite from scratch, that makes people feel more like it's a fight. I'll take notes on the cites, though: 1) Mr. Mann's relationship to this cite is justified externally from the cite (i.e. he's never mentioned); 2) I don't see the relevance of who his grandfather is, but the references to "democratic protest" do demonstrate that he protested the erection of the statue — how is never made clear; 3) if you think his references to a "theocratic Hindu state" are ridiculous, then just quote him outright! Let him condemn himself, no? 4) It seems to be saying that he went to Pakistan to negotiate ending the poll tax, that seems like what you'd expect from a Sikh leader, but maybe I'm missing something; 5) The specifics aren't really clear here. He was at a ceremony that ostensibly was honoring I. Gandhi's assassins, but that message is never made clear; you can reasonably, however, quote his line about creating a Sikh buffer state. (It doesn't really say anything surprising, though — he's a Sikh separatist, of course he wants a Sikh state!) Good luck!--Misaligned (talk) 03:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Simranjit Singh Mann/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Please have a look on http://www.akalidalamritsar.org to know more about Simranjit Singh Mann & please add at least his simple biodata. His Date of birth, Place of birth, his tenure as Police officer, his tenure in Parliament etc. regards Harpreet Singh

Last edited at 23:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 06:15, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Electoral performance

@ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ you have added the comment "Pending data for 1989 lok sabha and 1997, 2002 assembly results". Such comments are not added into the article, but put on the talk page. You can find all the Lok sabha and Punjab Assembly election results on the ECI website. Here is the link.

• "Record of all Punjab Assembly Elections". eci.gov.in. Election Commission of India. Retrieved 14 March 2022.

Also dont repeatedly remove and add the content. If you want to test, you can do on your User:ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ/sandbox Venkat TL (talk) 17:53, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Help me to add the data for 1996 lok sabha results in chronological order ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 17:57, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

It is added on last of the section and am not able to move it ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 17:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ done please check. If you face problem you can ask on this talk page. Make use of the Show preview button while editing. Venkat TL (talk) 18:22, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Ok Thanks ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 18:36, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

But still for 1989 elections is not visible ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 18:38, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ 1989 is visible. Please refresh the page, it should appear. Venkat TL (talk) 18:44, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes Thank you for your guidance ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ (talk) 18:45, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

ਕਿਸਾਨੀ ਜਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ No problem. In future if you face problem, make a thread on the talk page and ping me from there. You can also seek technical help from others at WP:VPT Venkat TL (talk) 18:48, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Indian Express seems to have copied this article

@Kpddg looks like the second half of this article by Indian Express is copied from Wikipedia. https://indianexpress.com/article/political-pulse/simranjit-singh-mann-sad-a-badals-rashtrapati-remark-8063408/

Is reverse copy tag applicable ? Venkat TL (talk) 17:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL, I think it is applicable. The template says that the 'article is substantially duplicated by a piece in an external publication'.... Kpddg ^(talk) 13:12, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Yes. I have added the template on top. Venkat TL (talk) 13:23, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Recent unsourced quotes

No source was added. There is no head or tail or this quote, there is no context. Please make an effort to write properly or dont add. Please dont forget to add sources or they will be removed. Venkat TL (talk) 16:41, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I have removed links from twitter and party website. Please use Secondary reliable sources and not primary sources. Discuss the significance of these quotes on the talk page. Venkat TL (talk) 19:09, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Sikh regiment

The tribune link does not mention Mann. Please find something better than twitter or zee--Venkat TL (talk) 19:12, 4 October 2022 (UTC)