Talk:Sofia Vakman

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that the pianist Sofiya Vakman was courted by the conductors Nikolai Rabinovich and Eduard Grikurov, before she decided to marry the latter? Source: [1]
  • ALT1: ... that Sofiya Vakman relinquished a career as a concert pianist because a skin disorder she contracted after swimming made it painful for her to play? Source: Ibid.
  • ALT2: ... that the pianist Sofiya Vakman inspired a youthful infatuation from Mstislav Rostropovich? Source: Ibid.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tragedy by the Sea reassigned to Template:Did you know nominations/Grigor Yeghiazaryan; Template:Did you know nominations/Fumiya Takahashi
  • Comment: QPQ coming soon. Done! OK, new QPQ!

Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:30, 23 December 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Sofiya Vakman; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Note: because the QPQ CurryTime7-24 used for Template:Did you know nominations/Grigor Yeghiazaryan was an erroneous review for Template:Did you know nominations/Outgroup favoritism that hasn't been fixed, the review here for Template:Did you know nominations/Tragedy by the Sea is being reassigned to the already promoted Grigor Yeghiazaryan]] as its QPQ, and a new one will be needed here. Alternatively, a valid review could be done for Outgroup favoritism, which still needs a reviewer to conduct a full review. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you for the reminder. I have my hands full this week, but please let me get around to the QPQ tomorrow. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
  • CurryTime7-24, the expectation at DYK is that a QPQ will be done within seven days of being notified that it is needed; that will be tomorrow. Please be sure to have your QPQ done by then. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
    • Thank you for the reminder. I've been dealing with some real-life matters here and, as a consequence, plain forgot about this. Let me do this ASAP. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
      • Let me know if the new QPQ works. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that valid QPQ has been supplied. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:30, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Regarding ALT0, the source translates as "according to rumour" she was courted by the two conductors, if that is the correct translation the hook would need to be modified. Gatoclass (talk) 03:25, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for catching that. Yes, "по слухам" means "according to rumors". Modified hook below:

  ALT3: that the pianist Sofiya Vakman was rumored to have been courted by the conductors Nikolai Rabinovich and Eduard Grikurov, before she decided to marry the latter? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that ALT3 has been provided. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:01, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

• I can pick this one up!

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Approving ALT1. To my mind, ALT1 is the most interesting hook; the other two seem less interesting from the perspective of someone not familiar with Russian music. ALT3 also reads a bit oddly (rumoured to be courted by her future husband?) although I understand why the change was made and it does align with the source. P.S. I don't speak Russian, but using Google Translate I'm confident the sources check out. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 21:58, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Name spelling

@CurryTime7-24: Sofia Vakman appears to be the more common transliteration in English. See for example the handful of hits on Newspapers.com (none for "Sofiya" or "Sofya"). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 03:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

"Sofiya" is the spelling used in Shostakovich: A Life Remembered by Elizabeth Wilson, which is where I got the idea to make this article. I had been consulting it when creating Six Poems by Marina Tsvetayeva and thereafter worked on Vakman's article concurrently.

Searching online right now suggests that you're correct and that "Sofia" may be more common. These results can sometimes be misleading, however. Google Ngrams would be helpful here; unfortunately, its results are inconclusive.[2] BGN/PGCN, which I typically adhere to, recommends "Sofiya".

I'm not attached to any one spelling. Whichever one is the more commonly used is fine with me. My only concern is with how a potential spelling change may affect this article's forthcoming DYK. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:30, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't be an issue for DYK at all, hook can be edited. I hadn't tried books, but that also seems to prefer "Sofia" (3.5 pages of Google Books results vs 1 for "Sofiya", 0.5 for "Sofya", and 0.5 for "Sophia"). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)