Talk:Somerset County Cricket Club in 1883

GA Review

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Reviewer: The C of E (talk · contribs) 10:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I will review this. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:36, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

• Citation needed for the struggling to remain financially solvent
  • Is covered by ref #1.
• Same as above for the move into the Athletic Grounds
  • Added. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• "widely accepted that", MOS:WEASEL violation
  • Tweaked. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• The sentence in the Squad section that begins "In his history of Somerset cricket,....", it's quite a long run-on sentence and should be broken up
  • Split. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• The source in the Squad table lists the county as "Somersetshire". Was that a common name for Somerset at the time? It should be included and clarified in the main body of text.
  • Added a note in the background section. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• In the County Cricket Summary section, the first mention of century should be linked to assist those who don't follow cricket
  • Wikilinked. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• Where did Somerset play Surrey and Hampshire in the second paragraph?
  • Added. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• The third paragraph with the wet wicket is a run-on sentence
  • Split. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• The batting and bowling tables are missing sources
  • No, the source information is provided in footnotes b and c, as listed in those tables. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• In the Aftermath section, why did Somerset lose First Class status? Was there an official process back then? Was it for poor performance or because someone in the MCC just decided they didn't fancy Somerset? This needs to be clarified
  • The sources don't explicitly say. I suspect all it means is that Wisden, and thus modern statistics, stopped considering them a first-class side. But all I have from my various Somerset books is that they were stripped of first-class status. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• All online non-CricketArchive references need accessdates
  • I believe they do. Newspaper and Magazine sources don't need accessdates, even where online links are provided, as these links are for convenience only. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
• External Links is an empty MOS:HEAD
  • Removed. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
  • @Harrias: In all it looks good, just need the above amended and I can pass it. Please ping me when this is done and I will have another look at it. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 10:54, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
    • @The C of E: Cheers, replies above. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 13:26, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
      • I have had a look at WP:PAGENUM to check and from a strict reading of it, it appears you are correct on that @Harrias: as there is a published date so I am able to pass this. Well done. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 07:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Lightburst (talk) 18:00, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that Somerset scored their first century in first-class cricket in 1883? Source: Hill, Stephen (2016). Somerset Cricketers 1882–1914. Wellington, Somerset: Halsgrove. ISBN 978-0-85704-291-0. Page 62
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William W. Jefferis

Improved to Good Article status by Harrias (talk). Nominated by Onegreatjoke (talk) at 20:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Somerset County Cricket Club in 1883; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Have you verified this hook personally? The editor who brought the article to GA is banned from DYK, so I don't think an AGF-pass would be in the spirit of policy here if you haven't checked the source yourself.
• Interesting: - Sorry to ding you twice in a row on interestingness, Onegreatjoke, but I don't see how this is "interesting or unusual", honestly even to a specialized audience. It falls into the category I think of as "Well that had to happen at some point, right?" A "first" can be interesting if it's groundbreaking (e.g. the first century by any team) or happens under unusual circumstances (e.g. if Somerset had taken 20 years, or conversely gotten one in their first innings), but every cricket team had their first century at some point, and there's nothing particularly interesting about it having been in their second year.
  Possible topics for a more interesting hook include the amusingly low standards of player selection and the fact that for four consecutive years their only win was against Hampshire ("... that 1883 was the second of four seasons in which...").

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is fine, but hook needs improvement. Fun fact: This is the 21st link in a QPQ chain that goes back to May 2021! -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 21:47, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin: For your hook suggestions

• ALT1: "... that 1883 was the second of four seasons in which the Somerset County Cricket Club had their only victory against the Hampshire County Cricket Club?
• ALT2: "... that the player selection for Somerset County Cricket Club in 1883 was told as being "determined with a nod and a wink over drinks" due to their relatively low standards of player selection?"
• ALT3: "... that the player selection for Somerset County Cricket Club in 1883 was seen as relatively low standard?"

I can't personally access any sources that are offline but it seems like they were indeffed from DYK due to obscene immaturity rather than any sourcing concerns. Onegreatjoke (talk) 02:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: I can verify the source for ALT2, so I'd be fine approving a version of that; however, it has it a bit backward, making it seem like the quote is an insult based on the poor quality, rather than what it actually is: an explanation for that poor quality. As to the rest, hard no, not if you can't verify them yourself. This is your nomination, not the C of E's, and per WP:PROXYING you are expected to take full responsibility for an edit you make on behalf of a banned user, which I would dare say extends to nominating someone else's article for DYK when they're banned from DYK. (Not to say I think you were asked to do this; the point is that you need to be exercising independent judgment, not asking me to AGF of someone who's been banned from this venue.) -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 03:04, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Tamzin: Alright then. Here's a reword of alt2

• "... that the relatively low standards of player selection for Somerset County Cricket Club in 1883 has been described as being "determined with a nod and a wink over drinks"?.

Though I do just wonder if I should just withdraw this nom since I was unaware of the C of E being indeffed from DYK. Onegreatjoke (talk) 03:10, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

@Onegreatjoke: Oh, wait, this is a mess. The C of E was the reviewer here? (Why is his name in the nomination template then? Is that a thing? I wasn't credited for Template:Did you know nominations/Joseph (art model) (nor would I have accepted credit).) Happy AGFing of Harrias. on ALT1 and 2. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 03:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)