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Co-op

where is it confirmed that Tails, Blaze etc. are playable in the co-op mode???

It's said in Sega Europe and Sonic Central. It says that there is a multiplayer co-op story.--Gigasonic 21:26, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Realease Date

It says the realease date for Europe is November 17. But on the europe website it just says Christmas 2006. So is that right?

I'm guessing it means for the Christmas season, which tends to be around November?

Ok, thanks.

My guess is, it's realeased on the 17th so parents, friends, etc. can actually buy it before christmas and give it to their loved one then. UnDeRsCoRe 13:16, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

From what I've heard (from several reliable sources), Sonic will be released on the PS3's launch date (Nov. 17). BlackEDGE MkII 00:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

But then again, now I'm hearing that the game's being delayed past Nov 17. BlackEDGE MkII 04:00, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Rouge the bat???

Does anyone know where the trailer is that apprently shows Rouge helping shadow.

I don't think it was Rouge and Shadow together in the trailer. It was Blaze helping Silver. UnDeRsCoRe 21:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I know about Blaze and Sliver, look at Rouge's section.

Wait, never mind some ones delted it. It did say Rouge was seen behind Shadow in a glimpse of the latest tralier

Shouldn't the part about Tails be moved?

He's in the "Non-playable" section where it says he's playable--NFAN3

He's in the Amigos section, there's no problem.--EchoSae 22:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)--

NFAN3 was refering to the fact that Tails WAS in the Non-Playable section. I created the Amigos section, though, and moved Tails there. This was posted well before Tails was moved to Amigos, though, as I saw this here before I made it. --Ultima 15:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Too soon for a Mephiles page?

I was considering creating one but didn't want to jump the gun (I think right now we don't even know if he has 'the Hedgehog' in his name or not). Best left for now as a minor entry on the character page?--HellCat86 12:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

That's my theory. We don't have enough info about him yet. For all we know, he dies at the end of this game and never appears again. I say we wait until the game is released. We may just end up adding him to the 'List of Minor Character in Sonic.' The same thing goes for Elise, though Silver is an exception (not that his page hasn't already been made). He's looking to be a character that will stick around for a while. --Ultima 14:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Features from Sh.T.H

Can someone help me - there's been something bugging me? Is there or is there not going to be firearms used by Shadow in the game? It seems all over the place right now. Does anyone have a good source for info on this unsettled matter? Knuckles sonic8 22:20, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes in the traliers u see him driving a 4x4 and shoothing from it and in the recent one his on a motorcyleMr.Willison 11:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

No, Shadow does not use firearms. That was confirmed a while back. The oly way he can shoot is through his vehicles. Shadow was seen riding a motorcycle in TWO trailers. The 3rd trailer and the one that came out on September 21st. Though it is the same exact part of him riding it. Axidous 22 September 2006

Can you show it to me? Or a link? Mr.Willison 20:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I knew about the vehicles firing but I meant actually firearms and such. Thanks for clearing that up for me... but a source would be good if you can so I can just double check for myself. :P Knuckles sonic8 00:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Sonic on PC

Sonic may be coming to PC within six as it shown here [1] at Amazon for PC. I got leak on Sega's boards about it releasing within 6 months as the port was rumored to be made while the game was being developed. Maybe I'll be getting the game for my birthday. (Comment by: Sonichedgehog360) (doesn't that show that I'm excited!)

Cool. I might wait and get it for that since I've obviously alrady have a pc. What if it came with its own universal wireless controller so that it could be played on any machine that could hold the disk, like a computer or VD player. That'd be cool. I have a question, do you mean 6 months from now or six months from when it release? Axidous 22 September 2006

Actually four months from the game's main release, March 30, 2007 in the UK. Just look at the amazon page. (Sonichedgehog360)

Amazon.com is not a reliable source; they do not get exclusive access to game release dates. Like any video game retailer, they make guesses on game release dates and sometimes even games available. They also make mistakes. SEGA Europe has not confirmed a PC version let alone given a release date, this is to be considered speculation and removed; Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Dr. Eggman3 00:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Then why can you preorder it unless it is coming out? Sega has always been "hush hush" about their PC games because they want people to buy the consoles where most of their games are featured. Sorry, but this has been a topic of discussion as Sega doesn't want to lose profits on their console exclusives. I just hope you're not a Sega employee trying to reduce the game's pc publicity! Most people just don't want to buy a PS3 or Xbox 360 due to its extremely high price unless that's the only way to get the game, meaning that people will also buy Sega's console exclusive games since they just made a big investment on a video console. (Sonichedgehog360)

Preorders on Amazon.com as well as most other purchase sites are not charged to your credit card until the item is being shipped. If the game never comes out; nothing's charged and the preorder is void. Always make sure you 'see details.' SEGA is very 'hush hush' about PC games; why would they let Amazon.com find out? Dr. Eggman3 02:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

And why Sonic Next-Gen would be in Sega Spain coming list? --83.5.214.48 18:44, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

http://www.sega-europe.com/es/Game/310.htm SEGA Spain has no indication of this. There was one report on a spanish game site, however it was the only site sporting this information that I could find. It is most probably false. Dr. Eggman3 01:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sega Spain is completely seperate of Sega Europe.

same thing

On the new trailer it the same thing so why is it new did i miss any thing that chang Mr.Willison 21:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Quite a few things actually: Blaze is seen in action first of all; Sonic can be seen in the town stage for the first time (on video; for me at least); the theme has been changed/altered slightly; I learned that some of Eggman's robots take more than one hit to destroy; we hear the "Sweet Sweet Dreams" music Akon was apparently working on for the game (presumed to be the Ending Theme); some new footage of levels, or scenes of previously seen levels, I've never seen on video. Knuckles sonic8 00:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

E10+

• Be aware that in the 3rd trailer (yeah it just came up) that it's only E10+ draw back is Fantasy Violence (no cursing YYYYYYYYAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ic spoke with his original, Jason Griffith voice. User:SoundPound500000 September 24 2006 8:47 pm
• SO MANY UN ANSWERD QUESTIONS: WHY DID MEPHILES FIGHT SHADOW, ARE THEY RELATED, HOW DOUSE BLAZE FIT INTO THIS, IS AMY GONNA BE SONIC'S GIRL-FRIEND, AND WHO KIDNAPPS ROUGE I'm cool.

You know all because it just says rated E10+ fantasy violence still doesn't mean anything. In actual fact the ESRB rating site doesn't have a rating for this game at all. Basically this is just a speculation which appears to have fantasy violence (obviously, and remember the other 25% of the game consist of voice acting which is still in the process of being made).I mean take shadow the hedgehog for instance, although the trailers stated that the game was rated E10+, it still didn't confirm whether the game had fantasy violence or mild language (Yes, I still have the trailers). To be honest, most of the games that are rated E10+ have mild language in it, so therefore don't get your hopes up so high (to be truthful, I’m not either although I want mild language in it) because frankly we won't no until the actual game will be available in our eyes and hands.

Go to gamefaqs.com if your going to post stuff like that.Sonic Hog 04:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I think it's rated the way it is for many reasons but most predominantly being the appearnaces of the "Iblis Trigger" as seen in one or two trailers. And yeah it is possible that cursing could be included but I doubt it, personally. And anyway, like Sonic Hog said, you should post this stuff elsewhere, not here, but you probably weren't aware of that so no biggie. Knuckles sonic8 20:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I do believe that that's the Iblis, not the Iblis Trigger. --Ultima 16:38, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Fine whatever, you get the point, though. Knuckles sonic8 21:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, by the way Sound Pound, depending on what you consider cursing, there is a possiblity of having it being included in the game. Otherwise, they wouldn't have included the word they did in the first version of "His World" when it was first on the JPN Site. Just a thought. Knuckles sonic8 22:03, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Finally

Finaly sega of america has updated their sonic website. But there still isnt anything on it yet besides a video.

Yeah I know it kinda stinks for now but I've got a feeling they'll do a big update later like they did when Riders was coming out. Knuckles sonic8 23:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Xbox Live

ON the "new" websits english xbox lve logo is not there why Mr.Willison 11:19, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Official Artwork of Mephiles

I have this official artwork but can't get it to upload onto the article, can someone help? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mephiles2.JPG MindWraith 00:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

I think there's already a picture just like that already up in the Minor Characters section. UnDeRsCoRe 01:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

That's NOT official artwork. It's (CONFIRMED TO BE) fan-artwork made by Sonic CulT member(s). --Ultima 01:52, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

No, they made fanwork based off the official art, you have the two confused. MindWraith 13:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Xbox live demo

The demo for this game is available only on xbox live marketplace for free. The demo only features sonic and half of the first level.

So is it missing the mach-speed zone? MindWraith 01:48, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's an early demo. Only Sonic is playable, it only contains the first half of the level, the mach-speed zone is not present, the sky is incorrectly colored (it's actually lighter in later demo's), Sonic isn't nearly as fast as he's supposed to be, etc., etc. --Ultima 01:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Sega cut alot of features out of the demo because if they didnt, downloading it would take forever. Especialy with the mach speed area because there is alot of space to download.

Potentially new info =

I found this link on the page twice :http://www.sonic-cult.org/!trash/snextcharbios.png. I read most of it and it seems like here's more info regarding Iglis, Princess Elise and how she is involved in this whole Iblis Trigger, her father (who apparently was stated to have died), and how Mephiles and Shadow have more in common thatn people may think. Would all this info be considered to be from a verifiable/reliable source? I'm unsure at the moment. Any thoughts? Knuckles sonic8 14:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I've heard of the info. I don't think we should put any of it up until either confirmed by Sonic Team, or the game is released first and that is the way it goes. Those voice actors listed should also be removed, because we don't know if it's accurate. (I could see Gerald appearing, though, as the apparent creator of Mephiles and seen in flashbacks--but I'm not going with it yet.) --Ultima 16:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Sonic CulT confirm that everything they have on this game is official? MindWraith 01:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It's not officail until it's from an Officail Source, remember, Sonic CulT is just a fan-site. -Sukecchi 01:39, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Does someone know if they've been reliable in the past? MindWraith 05:34, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

We have, plus this would be waaaaaay to elaborate for me to posibly bother making a hoax out of. I like to keep my hoaxes simple yet effective ;)

Just so you know, I recieved that bio page from the actual game script leaked to me, (a few screengrabs of which can be seen on CulT), so it's pretty legit. --Sazpaimon 71.107.130.201 13:06, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what i've been saying, but noone is convinced. MindWraith 06:04, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

agreed. At the very least we'll just let them have that "pwned" look when the game comes out ^^GrandMasterGalvatron 17:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Tails information - Amigo System

Does anyone have a link or reference to the new information posted about Tails as a switch-to playable character? This is the first I've heard of it. I.M.Fearless 17:42, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

The info comes from the Japanese SONIC the Hedgehog site. The information was translated, and that's where everything came from. --Ultima 00:55, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Know where I can find these translations or did you do them yourself? Knuckles sonic8 19:47, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Someone named 'Thrippa' translated them. She posted the information in a topic in a Gamespot Union, called 'Sonic Spot.' She also posted them in the SONIC the Hedgehog topic at the SSMB. The topic has now been closed, but various discussions can be found in the new board made for the game. In order to find the translations, though, you'll have to find the 'Japanese Site Translations' topic in the Sonic Spot Union on Gamespot, or search through the SONIC the Hedgehog topic until you find the info. --Ultima 19:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

added trivia

i put a trivia section and also added that the iblis in "iblis trigger" is arabic word meaning satan~ moe 10:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Sonic Cult, fansites and hacked information

A lot of information keeps being added to this page that should not be here. Sonic Cult (and other fansites) is a fan website and thus is not a reliable source according to official Wikipedia policy. Furthermore, any "hacked" information is not officially published information, and thus cannot be put up on Wikipedia. Remember, Wikipedia is concerned with verifability, NOT truth. Any further information added to this page that originates from a fansite (like Sonic Cult) and/or is hacked information will be immediately removed. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 17:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Good observations. Knuckles sonic8 19:39, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the information about the decompile is verifiable information. As I said on the Blaze the Cat article, if one were to decompile the demo for themselves using an extractor, they would (should) be able to find the images that Sonic CulT did. I wouldn't put it up unless they had proof that it was decompiled from the demo and not fanmade, which they did, that being the files in XMA format, which is only creatable by people with a 360 dev-kit, and I don't think anyone would go through that type of trouble to create a hoax. Plus, in any case, I believe that the decomiler from Sonic CulT would count as an [Independant Secondary Source], because 1) other forum members did the same process and found the same material in the demo and 2) he has evidence (the files). This is the closest we're going to get to knowing any of this before November anyway. Roybertito 23:33, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention the dating on the supposedly 'leaked' game script. It's dated to 2002. Almost all of the stuff posted on their was released later. Besides that, if they were going to show of character bios', why would they use old artwork images? Wouldn't they use the brand new ones they made? Maybe that WAS leaked to them, but even if it was, I doubt the information handed over is real. Roybertito--though that may be the case, we still can't even verify if they DID legitimately uncover that hacked information. That stuff is better than the supposed game script, but still shouldn't be added in until an official confirmation is made. --Ultima 01:00, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

That leaked game script? Yeah, I'm iffy on that as myself. But with the hacked info, how else would he have those XMA files in the download? One can only open those files if they have an external X360 hard drive attached to their computer and they have 3rd party software running, or if they have a devkit. And XMA files can only be created by a devkit. What I'll try and do is run a quick diagnostic to see if those files are actually XMA format files and not hoax picture files disguised as XMAs. If I find proof that they're actually XMA format, would it be okay to put that information back into the article? Or will we have to wait until November?

If I could interject again... considering this information is hacked, despite if it's true, it shouldn't be placed here, because this information has not been officially published (nevermind coming from a reliable source). –Prototime (talk • contribs) 04:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Good point. Roybertito 05:11, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

People keep asking me about that bio page. I've examined it as best as I can, even so far as to have each japanese bio translated for inconsistencies, and concluded that if it WERE fake, it'd be a pretty massive one. Each filename on the pictures uses Japanese characters as well, and the person who gave this to me doesn't even have japanese support enabled on his computer. Not to mention that that page is part of the script as a whole (read: not a seperate file). And I can assure you that the script itself is as real as you can get (see: http://www.sonic-cult.org/newsx/fullnews.php?id=111 ). Once again, if this were to be a fake, it'd be a truly massive one, as the japanese throughout the entire document is spot on, and would have to have been added by someone completely fluent or a native speaker of the language. Not to mention some areas of the script are in only japanese (see: http://ryoga.heypoorplayer.org/_stuff/scriptshot.jpg (Also note the character_intro tab at the bottom, that's the bio page)). Much of what Ryoga says in my first link answers most of your questions. As far as the 2002/2/2 part of the bio page, I don't have a concrete answer. But for all we know the very first revision of this document could have been that old, and as time went on they cleaned it up and added the Sonic Heroes renders as placeholders or just to create a basic layout. Remember, this comes from an internal document, why should they need to make it all pretty? Who do they have to show it to other than the VAs and game devs? Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sega PR guy at TGS gave one of my members some game tidbits that completely match the scipt perfectly. So there's your confirmation.-- Sazpaimon @ 71.107.130.201 07:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

So what are you all gonna do when it's revealed to be true? Sit back an look owned perhaps?GrandMasterGalvatron 14:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

You fellows seem to be missing the point. The hallmark of Wikipedia is verifiability, NOT truth. Verifiability means that material must be published, and it must come from a reliable source. Information that is hacked is not published, and information that comes from a fan website does not come a reliable source. Quite frankly I don't give a care about how true something might be, or how likely it is that something is not fake, because that's not what Wikipedia is about. We must all abide by the policies set forth by Wikipedia, and verifiability is one the pillars that this encylopedia is built upon. True or not, if something isn't verifiable by Wikipedia's standards, it does not belong on this page--or any other page. Period. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 14:12, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Then what will will you do once it's verified? Sit back and look owned perhaps? P GrandMasterGalvatron 16:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes... if it makes you happy, that's exactly what I'll do. :P –Prototime (talk • contribs) 04:46, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

I did mention above that it was verified by a PR guy at TGS. Whether or not that's concrete enough is up for grabs, but there is some verifiablity there -- Sazpaimon @ 71.107.130.201 17:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, was this verification published by a reliable source? –Prototime (talk • contribs) 04:47, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as it's on a firsthand account of Sonic CulT forums member, Slash, you can't really stamp a 100% reliabilty sticker on it. Most I can tell you is that he WAS posting from Japan and did indeed attend TGS, as he gave a complete rundown of STH as he played it there. Like I said, how concrete that verifiability is is up for grabs, but there is at least some verifiability there. --Sazpaimon @ 71.107.140.171 06:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, at least that's something... though, as you pointed it, it's not a reliable enough of a source for that info be placed here, not yet anyway. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 04:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

In all honesty there's really no other way to prove its validity short of an actual SEGA employee formally admitting to it (Technically this did happen as a [former] SEGA employee gave this to me). You can also apply this logic to the Tikal concept artwork, since it lacks any truly concrete validity, just a few fansites that claim to have some really good connections. --Sazpaimon @ 71.107.140.171 12:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I just saw the Sonic Story scripts. They seem to make sense but as for whether or not it's verifiable, it's still debateable. Like Prototime said, it must be a really reliable source when it comes to things like this. It's too bad though since there is a quite a bit of info that could be added to the page, for instance, the fact that this script [2] suggests that Amy has her own town mission could suggest something. Also, the fact that the character name "Comega" is mentioned and the line it delivers could also give evidence of something.. There's quite a bit of things, I must admit, but, until it is thoroughly verifiable, as much as I hate to admit it, it wouldn't be appropriate (for lack of a better word) to place such things on Wikipedia. Knuckles sonic8 20:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, I jsut thought of something about that date at the top of the bio page. They probably started the article on that date with just Sonic and the other main characters. Later on, as the game was revealed and as the days grew closer to its release, they discovered this info and disclosed it. Just a theory, I know, but did anyone think of this possibility? It would make sense and it would explain the "date issue". Knuckles sonic8 20:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

new info

do u guys have any info about xbox live. Mr.Willison 01:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No, all I know is that it has Xbox live because of the boxart--Gigasonic 22:11, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

PC Version

What happened to the information about the pc version? MindWraith 04:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

See Topic further up the list.Dr. Eggman3 02:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

details

Okey finllay i played the demo now to some qustions um you should add what the enery bar does for sonic becaue i filled it up and it just glowed and the bar at the bottom so if we can get a shot of it.

Nothing in the demo, it will be used for sonic's custom action in the finished game. MindWraith 09:32, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Amigos, senorita?

Jokes aside, can someone tell me where this info on the characters being called 'amigos' is found?Superbub 13:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

I think is was out of a translation of the Jap site. But I really think they should be called "partners". Not "amigos". UnDeRsCoRe 13:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, they ARE officially called "Amigos".007kz 02:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with this being called Amigos!?I like it, finally some spanish in Sonic! (lol)

It's a Samba de Amigo reference! Viva life! Viva Amigo! [stands in dorky Mexican pose and is hit with many things] --Luigifan 00:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Town Stage Screen

On GHZ [3], there's a new screen of the Town Stage. Should we include it on the page since there are no official screens of it, as of yet?

Actually further to that, there's also a source on the same page [4] that confirms that the game is 80% complete, as of the moment, except Sega still has to do a bit of tweaking on the PS3 version since it has longer loading times, apparently. We should add it somewhere but I don't know where to put it. :P Knuckles sonic8 14:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Voice Actors

Who keeps removing Jason Griffith? If you play the demo and/or watch trailers, you can CLEARLY tell that Griffth's voicing Sonic again. Now you can debate about Shadow all you want but it's highly unlikely he'll be voiced by anyone else....especially since they can save money by using Griffith. There's your confirmation on that. Now for the rest of the lot, there is no confirmation except the bios sheet so here's a little bit for you to copy paste when the time arrives.

Sonic the Hedgehog (character)/Shadow the Hedgehog - Jason Griffith

Miles "Tails" Prower - Amy Palant

Knuckles the Echidna - Jay Snyder

Amy Rose - Lisa Ortiz

Rouge the Bat - Kathleen Delaney

E-123 Omega - Madeleine Blaustein

Blaze the Cat - Bella Hudson

Dr. Eggman - Mike Pollock

Just want to point out some things....Andrew Rannels quit which is why Omega's recast. Silver is not yet confirmed. GrandMasterGalvatron 18:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Well Jay Snyder and none of this cast is comfirmed yet. So you have to delete this... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.209.1 (talk • contribs)

It's not in the article genius. It's for you to copy paste when it's confirmed. :PGrandMasterGalvatron 17:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I keep removing it, because:

1. You can NOT clearly tell that's Griffith - do have any idea how many different people could make that kind of voice?
2. There is no text, anywhere, officially stating his involvement.

Am I'm going to keep removing it until I get an official credit list. Eggman, on the other hand, has a much more distinct voice, so it's pretty easy to tell that it's Pollock. But Sonic, not so much. --Shadow Hog 07:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

You're kidding right? That IS Griffith, that godawful "Yahoo!" is a dead giveaway! Have you even played the demo or watched trailers? You can easily tell that's Griffith...especially since the same line from the Secret Rings trailer was used which was preceded by a Riders line...Also done by Griffith. Do you really think Sonic's gonna have a new VA? GrandMasterGalvatron 17:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

No. But this is Wikipedia, where we don't accept anything other than citations from legitimate sources. Which, by the way, does not allow for original research - which is pretty much what you're using to back your argument up. Hence, it's been removed and will keep getting removed until we have an official source. End of discussion. --Shadow Hog 06:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what you think chump. You damn well better remove Eggman too. Also, it looks like the Cult just pwned you all HARD with the character bios and what not. If you want it straight from the horse's mouth that's fine and well but in the end, you're only going to copy paste the above text and be owned AGAIN. Have fun being laughed at by everyone else:P GrandMasterGalvatron 14:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You really shouldn't be getting so personal about this. This is in the rules - it's a Wikipedia-wide enforced policy. For that matter, demeaning talk like that is discouraged no matter the situation, regardless of whether it was adressed to me personally or the entire group here. --Shadow Hog 20:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You brought that repsonse on yourself mate. Is the actual game not official enough for you? There are official TRAILERS AND A DEMO with two known voice actors and you're still doubtful. Just like you were about the character bios and such which you were repeatedly told were from Sega. I'd say you're waiting for the feed from the horse's mouth but some of you dudes can't even tell what that is. XD. But whatever...you're just gonna end up copypasting the above text anyways :P GrandMasterGalvatron 20:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Before my account got deleted on myspace for being 11, Griffith TOLD me it was his voice.Not something I was thrilled to bits about, but he told me (emphasis on "told") that if he could name a successor, it would be Ryan. So, i'll just have to believe the guy.Centurion Ry 16:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what he says. We have to wait until the game is released for an official confirmation from Sonic Team--or until Sonic Team reveal it. Sonic Team revealed Lacey Chabert, and a major gamesite interviewed her, so that's reliable info. The words of an 11-year-old kid isn't reliable. I'm not saying I don't believe he isn't doing it--he probably IS, all I'm saying is that we need a reliable source first. --Ultima 16:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Ryan? You mean Ryan Drummond? Whoa... Griffith has some decency after all. Though, he [Griffin] is a pretty good VA in his own right. [gets chased away by irate Drummond-worshippers] --Luigifan 00:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

End of the World

I added the descriptor for this stage. Recently, I was directed to a source on Gamespoy that reveals the Last Story of Sonic 06! Spoilers are DEFINITELY there. I now know everything about the Last Story from this thread. I warn you agian, there are MAJOR SPOILERS here. I spoiled it for myself since I'm not getting it (unforuntately I don't have a 360). You're better off waiting, if you ask me. But, some of you may be happy so may be disappointed... the ending is "sketchy". [5] Be careful! The whole page has spoilers. Knuckles sonic8 19:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove it, this info hasn't been confirmed yet. For one, that's not Gamespy--that Shadow of a Hedgehog, which is a FANSITE. The info is looking likely, but it cannot be confirmed. Besides that, it redirects back to Sonic CulT, anyway, which is also a fansite. Until the game is released, we'll have to wait to put the info up. --Ultima 21:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I guess, but that would imply you viewed the page, am I right? Keep the information from that page fresh in your mind, as regards to the "last story" as the game comes out and/or other sources turn up. Knuckles sonic8 21:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm a new guy and if you ask me, it sounds like something Sonic Team would do.--Gigasonic 02:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)Gigasonic

^not that I don't like it--Gigasonic 21:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, sounds like the villain from my fanfic, a time mage named Mysto... who, to put it simply, is not a nice lady. Anyway, I don't see the cliché of this; I actually think that it's a pretty cool idea! --Luigifan 01:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Sonic CulT was right.

The official Sonic the Hedgehog website has just been put up [6]. The character bios (Blaze's in particular is almost word for word) and story (Solaris project, Elise's tears being a key, etc.) match almost exactly with the CulT bio page[7] put up weeks ago. There are a few minor differences, but it is by and large accurate. --69.148.209.103 02:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I still wonder what was up with the stuff about Blaze's chest... 217.198.150.144 11:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear...it looks like it's been verified. You may now sit back and look OWNED :P GrandMasterGalvatron 14:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wait, Blaze's profile was almost word-for-word? I never saw the profile, so I didn't know. I did notice the reference to Solaris, but knew that it was already in the demo--technically verifying it before Sonic CulT's info was posted. I only heard about the Silver and Final endings, but nothing about the profiles. We can start posting some of this up, but if anything appeared in Sonic CulT's info that wasn't on the gamesite--don't put it up just yet. Wait until either Sonic Team reveals the info (which they won't), or until the game is released. --Ultima 16:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Now see, that's a tricky wicket there. We have Sonic and Eggman's voices confirmed by the demo and trailers, but that's still not good enough for some. As for Blaze, the only thing that wasn't mentioned was her dislike of being underdeveloped. We'll probably seqe that in a cutscene. GrandMasterGalvatron 16:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

• I thought that comment about Blaze was weird, as I havn't heard it anywhere else. MindWraith 05:52, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

What's going on?

Alright, something's not right! if the game comes out for Playstation 3 on Novemer 14, 2006 how come it says the Playstaion is coming out on the 17 on the Playstation 3's page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blakebs (talk • contribs) .

Historically, some games actually come out before the console they're designed for by a few days (at most). It's probably just that. --Shadow Hog 06:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

More Info from the Amer. Site

Now that the American Site has been updated, you'll likely notice that a lot of new info has been updated. I see the characters have been updated, which is good, but, also, there should be notes about the confirmed vehicles Shadow will be able to utilize in the game. Also, the info about using Portals to get around along with the other Town Stage info. Maybe even the list of items? The fact that there are over 100-side missions should also be added, but also, apparently there are 11 stages - one has not been announced, as of yet... Knuckles sonic8 21:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== How can you get the picture of Amy in the American site == please tell me how to get the Amy Rose picture from the American site please reply to

amy_rose_sweetie@yahoo.com.au

or

amyrose1000@hotmail.com

Okay, on top of that, some things I noticed, but if these are translations from the Japanese site, it may explain why some of this stuff is a little wierd. Primary things were, Tails' profile says he has been helping Sonic for over 15 years (when recent material places his age at 9), Silver apparantly hails from a different PLANET, not to mention time period, and Blaze is listed as a queen, when there has already been plenty of discussion about the fact that in Rush she is referred to as a princess (unless I have that mixed up). Other than a mistranslation of the Japanese material (hey, it happens all the time), the best explanation I can think of is, a good few canon years have passed since the previous games. Should I post this stuff, or is it (1) likely a mistranslation or (2) not important enough to post? P.S. I should also point out that it refers to Knuckles as Sonic's sidekick. I.M.Fearless 12:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

The things about Blaze are probably a retcon. That Silver stuff seems true though because it matches data I've seen elsewhere. GrandMasterGalvatron 13:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe the thing about Tails means that it has been (almost) 15 years since Sonic 2 was released. It's possible that he has aged, but that'd be weird considering he looks the same.83.252.141.112 16:02, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

BOSS ATTACK!

[8]

bosses ahoy! Including the Super form boss Solaris! GrandMasterGalvatron 18:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

This site actually prohibits hotlinking, I have been told. There was a pic of Big the Cat in Super Form on this site, revealed to be in Hedgehog 06, and I posted a link for it but I was told not to. Thanks but I think you should remove it form your post. Knuckles sonic8 22:41, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, I found this: http://www.planetxbox360.com/index.php/screenshotstable/show/143/10/1. This should cover some of the artworks displayed on PS. Knuckles sonic8 22:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

When is Sonic the hedgehog coming out in Australia

Big the Cat... in a Super form???!!? I don't believe that for a second. --Luigifan 00:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

At first, I couldn't tell if it were a joke or if it real. It said it was an exclusive. If you wanna check it out, go to the site : called Planete-Sonic (French Sonic-based site); locate "Games" in French, then find Next-Gen and do a little searching. You're bound to stumble across it. Just look for "super-forme" at the end of the article/post or something along those lines. It would be easier for me to hotlink it but it's not allowed, obviously. Knuckles sonic8 01:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Third type of stage?

How deep did everyone read into this:

http://www.sonicworld.net/site/games/multi/nextgen/images/egmsept06-2.jpg

Quote: (just because I don't know how to format it)

Plus, this Sonic introduces an all-new (and surprisingly fun) level type - so-called Speed Stages where Sonic shifts into high gear for absurdly fast dodging, jumping, and attacking.

End quote.

Other than this being a simple magazine scan, how does this jive with you guys? Is this adding material? I.M.Fearless 18:18, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

I've seen this before but I highly doubt it. They're probably referring to the times when Sonic goes at mach speed in the levels, like, when the bar is full or whatever. Knuckles sonic8 20:36, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

1: This was announced shortly after the game itself was announced, meaning this is over a year old.

2: They mean mch speed parts of each level. MindWraith 03:36, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. That's what I thought; I just didn't know if it meant something to someone else. I.M.Fearless 17:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

And, the "bar" is going to be in Sonic and the Secret Rings, not this game. --Luigifan 04:14, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hedgehog Conflict

Would it be safe to say that Mephiles and the new hedgehog revealed in Shadow's story are one in the same? It appears that way to me for it says that Mephiles reveals to Silver Sonic is the Iblis Trigger. Doesn't the "unknown hedgehog" do the same? They're also both from Silver's story. I'm kinda confused... :S Knuckles sonic8 21:15, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

According to spoilers (highlight this if you want to read said spoilers m'kay) Mephiles bonded to Shadow during the latter's tenure at Prison Island, and only recently split free. I think it's safe to say that Mephiles' appearance stems from his time with ol' angst-hog. Of course this is speculation, but so is saying that the two are the same, so neither are going into the article. Just sayin'. --Shadow Hog 01:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

what do you think he connection between Amy and the princess is I think Amy knows the flames of disater cause it said Amy and the princess have a connection?

According to the scripts I've read for the story thus far (not a lot, though), they're good friends... but I think they BECOME good friends during the game and Amy just happens to know Elise from before but not know, know her on a friendship level. Knuckles sonic8 00:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Where is this game based?

Has any information been give out on which planet or where exactly this game is taking place? is it still on Earth such as Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow The Hedgehog was or is this a new Sonic universe for the next-gen? --UkNegative 15:39, 14 October 2006 (GMT)

Earth. Knuckles sonic8 17:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Any sources backing up that claim? --UkNegative 18:25, 15 October 2006 (GMT)

Crysis City will be based off of New York City, just like how City Escape was based off San Francisco. I think that's proof enough.007kz 20:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Crisis City. Believe me, it's not spelled like the game. --Shadow Hog 21:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Japanesse website

ok scerw that amer website the jap on is updated and i cant read it but the sliver story will blow you mind i think its about blaze and sliver look it up and and I think its the real name of the fourth hedehog he has purple rings.... and other new charters updates blah bblah blah Mr.Willison 12:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

->This should help: http://www.sonic-cult.org/!trash/sonic_next/. Most of the new info has already been added to the page, though, but thanks. This is just for your personal reference, I guess. Knuckles sonic8 15:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, kudos to whoever decided to do that. The translated website helps A LOT. Maybe we should put a link to it on the article page, just pointing out that it's an unofficial translation of the Japanese gamesite. Then again, the spelling appears to be rather horrendous. What think? I.M.Fearless 17:16, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it's noteworthy enough to be included, but possibly only in the External Links, not in another section designated for it since it's already been made mention to. (knuckles_sonic8; sorry forgot to sign name)

Final Boxart?

[9] Think we should replace it with the current one? It would be better if we implemented this one for it's no longer "RP" and an ESRB rating would be more effective for the page than what there is now. Knuckles sonic8 15:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC) Sure go have fun ....... because i have no idea how to do it; but what about the ps3 version (not that i care)Mr.Willison 10:44, 16 October 2006 (UTC) I don't know how to do it either. :P Knuckles sonic8 00:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Neither do I--Gigasonic 22:09, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Due Date

on ign its the 14 on tuesday ehich most games come out so is that ture? Mr.Willison 11:36, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that is the Xbox 360 release date. Also if you look at the Sega of America information page,[10] it says that the 360 version is due November and the PS3 is due Holiday 2006.--Gigasonic 12:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Blaze's status as royalty

Never have I ever heard of Blaze refered to as a "Princess" in any of the media, english or Japanese, for Sonic Rush or Sonic 2k6. The only time it's ever been mentioned (and it is rarely mentioned), she is always refered to as a Queen of her dimenson. Any place that mentions she is a "princess" is probably just a translation error, as pretty much everything else says she is a Queen. I distinctly remember them mentioning she was a Queen when Sonic Rush was unveiled. BlazeHedgehog 18:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

She's called a princess in Sonic Rush, and a queen elsewhere. Going by the fact that we have multiple English sources saying she's a queen shows that it's no mere error. As the most recent statement was made after Sonic Rush's release (about a year after actually), any traces of her being a princess have probably been retconned into being a queen. I'd go by the most recent statement, regardless of which country it came from since what both countries say is official for that region. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the line in Sonic Rush just may be a translation error...we've had plenty before..even in that game. Berra Hudson anyone?GrandMasterGalvatron 18:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

That website has its fair share of errors as well. For example, is Knuckles supposed to be Sonic's sidekick?

In this game he is GrandMasterGalvatron 20:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Knuckles was Sonic's sidekick in Sonic Heroes, as well. BlazeHedgehog 22:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

So then, did Shadow suddenly upgrade from "ageless" to "immortal"?

Technically, both could mean the same thing. BlazeHedgehog 21:26, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Ageless means Shadow can't age (duh). Immortal means he can't be killed at all....by anything. BlackEDGE MkII 02:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

What the hell does that have to do with Blaze's rank?!? Take that to another topic. --Luigifan 02:13, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's because it's from the same source?

Sorry, that should be in the Shadow section. My bad. BlackEDGE MkII 00:35, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

almost done?

so the game almost done so we dont add anymore till 1 the jap website is updated or the game comes out right so everthing eles added is etheir speculation or not true right. Mr.Willison 20:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I would add something if it was a new gameplay video or interview.--Gigasonic 22:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Radical Train and Aquatic Base (possible spoilers)

Basically, some guy on Gamespot released a possible spoiler about these two stages [11]. I think it sounds really cool and really applies to the story. But still not enough proof to put into the article.Gigasonic

I think we could add it.. a small descriptor that is. Aquatic Base more so than Radical Train though. But, yeah, nice find. Still curious, though, how the other levels will be like even though I'm not getting it. Knuckles sonic8 23:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Scratch that; added a tiny bit of clarity to the already fine Aquatic Base descriptor, left Radical Train alone, though. Also, in that same forum, a couple of posts near the bottom, it reveals the unofficial order of the stages in Sonic's story.

Based on what was said...

[Spoilers maybe?]

1)Kingdom Valley 2)Wave Ocean 3)??? 4)Tropical Jungle 5)Crisis City 6)Dusty Desert 7)White Acropolis 8)Radical Train 9)Aquatic Base 10)Flame Core 11)End of the World

The end 6 levels make sense as does the first, but as for the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th, it's still up in the clouds since there's still a stage nobody knows about yet. I think Flame Core maybe the inside of Eggman's base and this is, if I'm right, an important stage in his story. Knuckles sonic8 23:31, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that but I disagree with it. I think that the order is how it appears on the Japanese site[12]. With the 11th stage being the final story stage.Gigasonic 12:27, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorta new video and new interview

Basically Gametrailers released 2 new videos. One is the extended trailer with new gameplay shots and the other is an interview. [13]Gigasonic 02:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Multiplayer mode

The American Site has released 2 multiplayer modes. Shadow and Sonic can work together to get the Chaos Emeralds and they share rings and lives, or they can battle it out in battle mode.[14]Gigasonic 21:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Silver's voice

We have finally heard Silver's voice! I don't like it though.[15]Gigasonic 22:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah when he said "That tornado!" and the building quote. I don't mind it that much but I can see people getting annoyed by it. :P Knuckles sonic8 19:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sounds pretty good for an adolescent or child. I guess he might be "young" (see Silver the Hedgehog) UnDeRsCoRe 23:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I was actually thinking about that as I heard it. Knuckles sonic8 23:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

^Thanks I forgot about that.Gigasonic 23:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Silver's voice is fine with me. He is supposed to be younger than Sonic, so the voice fits him well. What, you don't except him to sound like a 65 year old man, do you? BlackEDGE MkII 17:34, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Emblems/Medallions

When I watched that video with silver's voice, [16] I realized that in the beginning of Wave Ocean when sonic first starts sliding on the water, look to the left and you'll see a silver emblem. I can't wait to see what wiil happen if you collect them all.Gigasonic 23:42, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah there's also one when Sonic is running at mach speed. But you have to be really sharp with your eyes to see it.Gigasonic 23:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

In the article it says there are 5 in each stage. Any confirmation on this? Jack Bz

White Acropolis

According to this post http://www.sonicanime.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14606&pid=462237&st=1975&#entry462237, White Acropolis is the stage with the church windows. This is quite valid as anyone who's been to said event would see this as well. I posted this so the description could be made...I have no screens on me :/ GrandMasterGalvatron 18:10, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, figured. That level. Guess it really does make sense. I recall a video of it I think... I'll go look for it and I'll post the link so any of you can see if it is the same level, 'specially you GMG. Knuckles sonic8 20:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

That does explain a couple of questions I ignored in the past, but on the Japanese site [17] on the Kingdom valley stage it has a picture of Shadow in the church area. I'm not really sure what to believe. They both make sense so I'll just wait until release.Gigasonic 13:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah, that's still Kingdom Valley.71.212.191.119 20:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/726/726485/sonic-the-hedgehog-20060818041734957.jpg This is White Acropolis...unless I screwed up screenshots again XDGrandMasterGalvatron 13:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Recent interview with Mike Pollock

Here's the deal: some friends and I from a website called Fireball20xl, recently did a Skype interview with Mike Pollock about his work in the Sonic franchise. Unfortunately, the recording program screwed up and we weren't able to put it up for download, so we're going to see if we can schedule a second-shot at doing it over skype. What little we learned from him though, was that all of the previous VAs from Sonic X who've played the characters beforehand are still playing them now (Jay Synder MIGHT be a stage name for Dan Green, he's used them in other anime before), and that Dr. Eggman's character is a lot more dark and serious in this specific game as opposed to being his usual comedic self. (He also said Andrew Rannells played the voice of Bokkun in Sonic X, but that's for a different section.) I will keep this info here for the time being, and whenever we're able to try the interview agian and the MP3 is put up on our website, I'll list it as a source and make the necassary changes, unless you guys think this is good enough evidence on its own. Kirbopher 9:29, 28 October 2006

Thanks, but anybody who knew anything about 4kids and SEGA already knew that all the 4kids cast were going to return for this game. After all, the contract that they signed applies for this game also. But thanks, anyway. It's be great to get a MP3 file ^_^ 71.212.191.119 20:20, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Oh I'm not saying I wasn't EXPECTING it or anything, I just figured I'd mention it since there was the Jay Synder confusion thing and what not. We'll be re-recording the interview tonight, maybe we can get some more info (he wasn't allowed to say all that much due to his contract obviously).

• The interview can be found at: http://www.fireball20xl.com/wha-chow/ It's the latest episode (you'll see Mike's name on it).

Did Mike Pollock mention anything about 4kids doing the voices in the games after this and Secret Rings? Hero of legend 19:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

• I didn't mention to him about this supposed 'rumor' about how Sega might not use the 4Kids voices may not used after those games, because I honestly don't think it's true. It says right ON the Sonic X page that more episodes might be in production, and if so there's be plenty of reason to keep the anime VAs. Besides, he probably wouldn't've even KNOWN about it.

About Mephiles/Shadow

{{spoilers}}

Again, going back to Sonic Cult... (maybe spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - It was stated there that Mephiles is actually the "darker side" of Shadow. There is evidence to believe this part of which being the fact that on the page it says that Shadow's shadow looks like Mephiles as noted at the TGS. Thoughts?

That does make sense, but I'm not sure what to believe. I mean he has a crystaline form and a gray-greenish Shadow form. My guess is that in the future he's a shapeshifter and turned into the grayish-greenish form to trick Silver and Blaze. That also explains why he appears as Shadow's shadow.Gigasonic 23:16, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't put it past him if he was but what was that "trick Silver and Blaze"? Trick them into what? Did I miss something? This actually let me think, Mephiles... don't know if you know the spoilers but... he ends up having to do with the Iblis Trigger (not really a spoiler) to HELP Iblis rule/destroy the world/be set free. Why, in the future, does he tell Silver/Blaze Sonic is the "Iblis Trigger" if he was helping Iblis?! Confusing :S And it's not like I don't know what happens unless maybe there's a spoiler I don't know about yet; I don't know EVERYTHING leading up to the end of the story. Knuckles sonic8 23:54, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I saw the spoiler and what I meant was (spoilers) - - - - - - - - - You know how Mephiles kills Sonic and causes Elise to cry, well I think at first he wanted to get Silver to kill Sonic and cause her to cry. But I don't even believe half the stuff I say.Gigasonic 02:09, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

According to that Japanese character sheet, Mephiles and Ibilis are two seperate halves of one creature, Solaris. Mephiles wants to set Iblis free so he can merge with it and be complete. Also, Mephiles is stated to be a "creature of the mind," so he's probably quite skilled at deception, trickery, and other mind games. --Luigifan 03:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, knew most of that except for "creature of the mind" bits. Still doesn't make sense though... why would he try to help Silver/Blaze in the future? :S Knuckles sonic8 12:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

^(spoilers) - - - - - - - - - - - - To get Silver to kill Sonic and cause Elise to cry, thus releasing Iblis.Gigasonic 13:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

But then, in the future, how would have Iblis been released in the first place... ugh, time travel's confusing. And besides... (spoilers) - -- - - - - -

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Mephiles kills Sonic; that's what I heard, anyway. (knuckles_sonic8; unsigned)

Yeah it's like I said up above, 'I don't even believe half the stuff I say'.Gigasonic 14:10, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Silver's story is so confusing, ugh! :P Knuckles sonic8 14:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, Mephiles is a creature of the mind... but, I have no clue what would pevent him from merging with Iblis in the future... but, yes, he does try to trick Silver into doing his dirty work. When this fails, Mephiles probably decides to kill Sonic off himself. Which was probably difficult for him, as most of Solaris's physical and magical power is contained in Iblis; the intelligence and will was contained in Mephiles. --Luigifan 02:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm just going to sit back now and keep all my theories to myself now. Besides, we'll all know in about 3 weeks.Gigasonic 23:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

According to the Sonic CulT info, Mephiles is NOT Shadow's dark side. It states that he merged into Shadow's dark side. Get it? Got it? Good. --Ultima 20:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

From the scripts I've seen, it seems like Mephiles merged into Shadow's ummmmm..... shadow. BlackEDGE MkII 17:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

OK, I read the script and it looks like that it was part of his plan to put Elise in so much despair that it causes her to cry. So he sort of does trick Silver and Blaze.Gigasonic 01:59, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Read that too before. I had a feeling this would happen. He'd try to get Silver to kill Sonic but if something went wrong, he'd just do it himself... poor Sonic. He couldn't win either way. :( Wonder how he goes about doing it though... But I loved the way everyone reacted to his death. It was well put in especially with Amy and Tails and even Knuckles. Shadow seemed quite upset too. :D Anyway, I'm regretting I won't get to play this and find out how this will all develop. Knuckles sonic8 02:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I read that too. Mephiles likes to play mind games, obviously. BlackEDGE MkII 08:15, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Shadow TGS Demo Description(Sorry, no video)

Some Guy on Gamespot who played the 360 version of the demo gave a description of it.[18] It sounds a little hard but I'm sure I could get used to it.Gigasonic 16:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Shadow's voice

I found Shadow's voice used in a gameplay video, but I can't quite tell who's voice it is. I think it's Jason Griffith's voice, but I not 100% certain. Can some listen and see if they can tell who's voice it is at this website: [19]? Click on the video, Dusty Desert. Anonymous October 30, 2006

Sorry, this is old. But that does sound a lot like Jason Griffith.Gigasonic 22:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It really doesn't sound like him to me. MindWraith 00:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Varying Music?

I just noticed something. In the two videos that we have of Crisis City (one w/Silver and one w/Shadow, both on IGN) different music is played, yet each must be the correct music because full sound effects are included. Perhaps different music is used with each character? I don't know if this is Wiki-worthy; I just thought I should point it out. I.M.Fearless 02:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I would say that each caracters music is slightly diferent to match their gameplay. For example Sonics would sound faster than silver because his gameplay if faster.

Shadow's Crisis City music, now that I think about it, sounds like a remix of Westopolis from ShtH. BlackEDGE MkII 02:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah that does sound a little like Westopolis.Gigasonic 13:10, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Achievements

The achievements have been revealed![20] There are 23 and they all sound challenging, but fun. They also sound a lot like Sonic Adventure 2 because of how difficult they are. I'm actually glad they're difficult because I beat the entire Shadow the Hedgehog in a month and the entire Sonic Riders in about a month and a half.Gigasonic 13:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Even more proof that the super forms are available for level play...when are we gonna put this into the article? Also, when will we add Super Silver to his article?GrandMasterGalvatron 18:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I added it in. But who knows? Maybe somebody will take it off.Gigasonic 22:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hate to disappoint you all, but this is "proof" not "confirmation". As such, I think what should be said in the article should be something like: "various media has SUGGESTED that all super forms will be fully playable." I won't change it though; you all know more about this than I do. I could be wrong. I just wanted to point that out. I.M.Fearless 23:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't really mind if you took it off. But I still have a good idea that these are the OFFICIAL achievements.Gigasonic 02:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

References

The end of the references is messed up, and I don't know what to do about it. 83.255.68.110 23:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Delay?

At my local EB games it says that the Ps3 version won't be released until Dec. 19. This would make sense because on the Sega website it says that the Ps3 version won't be released until holiday 2006.Gigasonic 13:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Mine says the same. I thought I has updated it but it was apparently reverted :/GrandMasterGalvatron 16:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Script

Sonic-cult has released the script for the game.[21] Unfortunately, my computer refuses to display it. So can someone help me out somehow?Gigasonic 22:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a web version, but unfortunately I cannot get it to upload to my host. --Guess Who 02:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

That's alright, somebody on Gamespot put it all down in a post.[22] It sounds really good. Even if this isn't all of it, don't tell me. I don't want to spoil everything.Gigasonic 02:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The script can be found at guesswho.ifastnet.com. 56K warning. --Guess Who 17:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

The script is the full thing and it reveals so many things that can be implemented into the article, but is everyone still skeptical as to whether or not Cult is a "reliable" source? Also, that "11th Stage" referred to lately, there is no mention of it in the script. Anyway, the scenarios for the script seem to be quite accurate. Should we add some of the info disclosed here? Can we at least add the order of stages each story progresses through? What does everyone think? Knuckles sonic8 22:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Knuckles Sonic, no, we should not put any info from this into the article. It may be accurate, but we don't know if it is. Unless Sonic Team confirms it's accuracy, then leave it out. More and likely the game will be released before this is confirmed. I shall note something down for you, though. This script is old, and therefore, is not complete. That's why the '11th stage' (which I do believe was confirmed in an interview, or a preview on some site, a while back), and a couple other things, aren't shown in this. This script is from March, and has likely been updated since then, so Sonic CulT never had the final script to begin with. Count on much of this being in, but not all of it. Either way, this can't be put into the article. --Ultima 23:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me, I think the 11th stage is the Final Story stage. I have no idea what it might look like though.Gigasonic

^Never mind, I read the script and End of the world is the final stage. Still, I wonder what the 11th stage will be.Gigasonic 01:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, that's why I said that; no mention of it since, as I mentioned before this, End of the World is the final stage. Maybe the 11th stage is an unlockable kinda like Green Hill from Sa2B kinda thing... but you'll know shortly I guess. :P BTW, on the matter of the script, I was surprised to learn that Kingdom Valley is not Sonic's first stage. Notice that? (Again, not really a spoiler). Funny, though, how the story comes together. Seems like, if this Script is accurate, the story's gonna be put together quite well, don't ya think? Knuckles sonic8 03:04, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

New Screenshots!

These are a little low quality to me, but they have one of Tails. There's also one of Princess Elise getting captured by Eggman. Then she throws the Chaos Emerald down to Sonic.[23]Gigasonic 00:11, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

So this is how Sonic meets Tails in this new canon. MindWraith 00:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

This is the same canon as the rest of the Sonic series. Check out the character profiles on the official site; some reference events in the past games. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 05:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I wonder how they're going to explain all the changes, or if the characters will just be indifferant. MindWraith 06:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by "all the changes"? Nothing changed. This game follows the official canon storyline.71.212.191.119 19:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it is. Sonic meets Tails right after Elise is kidnapped according to Cult. (Not really a spoiler) Knuckles sonic8 22:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I thought so, no way this is the same cannon as the past games. MindWraith 01:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thought so? Knuckles sonic8 meant that they DON'T meet for the first time in this game. 217.198.150.144 08:29, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Did you even read it? "Sonic MEETS Tails right AFTER Elise is kidnapped" MindWraith 02:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Using the word "meet" doesn't immediately imply "for the first time". You're simply reading too much into this. If they're meeting for the first time, then why aren't they introducing themselves? If nobody in this game has met one another, why does Amy pull the same "OMG SONIC" trick on Silver? If this is a new canon, then why the heavy references to pretty much all of Shadow's storyline, from SA2 onward? Long and short of it is, this is in direct continuity with the older Adventure titles. End of story. --Shadow Hog 03:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Well I meant he re-connects with him. Acc. to the script I read, he actually says, and I quote from Cult, "Tails! Long time no see." Then Tails is all like, "I'm glad that you're here Sonic". I never suggested that they see each other for the first time; you must've misinterpreted what I said. And obviously, you can see what the game really is as far as this whole canon stuff goes. Knuckles sonic8 03:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Sonic VA Confusion

Why do you people keep editing the page to make it say that Jason is confirmed for Sonic and Shadow? All the citation leads to is a dumb trailer. If it's still not 100% confirmed, DON'T put it on the page. -Guest November 5 2006 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.163.101.13 (talk • contribs)

You sir...are an idiot. To even bother looking for confirmation is a waste of time. All of these debates have been utter tripe. You all damn well know that we have the same damn voice actors from Sonic X and such. Why not just get the stick out and quit whining about some slaggin confirmation. Do you really think that there are going to be different voice actors? Do you?GrandMasterGalvatron 23:50, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That is an assumption, no matter how correct, and cannot be put on Wikipedia, which is NOT a rumor mill. We operate on things that can be verified, which assumptions without ANY concrete evidence do not meet (and voices are very tenuous evidence). All in all, this should not be put on here until we have a verified cast list, end of story. Moreover, your attitude over this whole situation is outrageous. I've been over this very thing with you before, and yet you're still deliberately ignoring me, to the extent that you're calling editors who go along my line of thinking an idiot. This isn't behavior of any benefit to Wikipedia at all. I kindly ask you to tone it down, or I will be taking action against it. --Shadow Hog 03:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh the hell with it...I'm going to enjoy watching you get owned yet AGAIN

For the record, your paltry link has nothing about not being a rumor mill XDGrandMasterGalvatron 13:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

This constant "you're gonna get owned" talk is adding unnecessary hostility to this discussion and is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Cut it out, now. --Shadow Hog 17:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Hostility? I see no hostility...except maybe from you. How about you lighten up mate? XD If I stop doing anything, it won't be due to any demands you make :PGrandMasterGalvatron 17:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Here's some hostility, how about you SHUT. UP? Is it gonna be THAT big of an accomplishment for you for putting up the cast list that we 80% already know so you can tell all your (nonexistent) friends that "I MADE A DIFFERENCE ON THE SONIC 2006 GAME WIKI ENTRY LOLOLOL"? The policy of the website is prevalent for EVERYONE. If you don't wanna follow it and help it work as well as it has for quite a while now, then make your own damn webpage about all of the stuff you know about the game through fansites and talk about "THEY WOULDN'T LISTEN TO ME AND LOOK I WAS RITE LAWL". Otherwise, keep your bullcrap out of here. Kirbopher 15:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm not even going to dignify that with a worthy reply >>GrandMasterGalvatron 22:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

But there is a silver lining to this damned cloud we called Sonic X VAs (excluding Mike Pollock): This game and Sonic and the Secret Rings are (supposedly) the last games with the Sonic X VAs! Maybe we'll get the SA/SH cast back (with the addition of Mike Pollock)! HELL YEAH!!! BlackEDGE MkII 21:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Also, if Blaze makes another appearance in a later Sonic game (which I doubt), Sonic Team/Sega should keep her VA, for if they find a replacement for Bella Hudson, that person will probably suck. BlackEDGE MkII 21:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind taking the best of each cast and blending them together myself ^^GrandMasterGalvatron 21:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The two casts are on complete OPPOSITE sides of the US. Not gonna work too easily...probably EVER, for that matter. SEGA doesn't care enough. Also, I don't see any reason for them to change the cast AGAIN. As I mentioned earlier, it says RIGHT ON wiki article for Sonic X that new episodes might be in production. With that in mind, it'd be MORE reason to still use them, and plus the edited DVDs are still coming out. Honestly the whole rumor about them switching back to the originals seems WAY too farfetch'd to actually WORK at this point in time. It seems as much of a hopeful fanboy dream as getting the original Pokemon cast back. Kirbopher 22:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Knowing how picky people could be about which VAs are bad or good, I'd rather just have one entire cast, preferably not 4Kids.