Talk:Speak Now

Back to December

From the Speak Now article:

In an analysis of Swift's lyrics, The Oxonian Review noted themes of regret and solitude, highlighting that "December is a month to get through so we can return to the beginning, and is certainly not a month to relish. Yet, Swift goes there—'all the time'—in 'Back to December'"

From the Back to December article:

The Oxonian Review considers it the centerpiece of the melancholic album, noting how "equating regret with December is a mainstream American musical tradition"

i think these quotes, lacking rebuttals, fail to achieve a Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, but i don't know where to find a rebuttal with Wikipedia:Verifiability. So have some Wikipedia:ORIGINAL "research":

Doesn't the song have anything to do with the autobiographical tendencies of the songwriter, whose BIRTHDAY is in December? The lyrics "that September night" make me think the timeline in the song is literal. The articles Speak_Now#Songs_and_lyrics and Back to December both say critics speculate that the song is about Taylor Lautner, and Taylor_Swift#Relationships says Swift dated Lautner from October ("realized I loved you in the fall") to December 2009. i realize i'm probably just repeating what those critics have already speculated, but i feel like these quotes from The Oxonian Review give the (wrong) impression that the song lyrics mention THIS season or THAT month purely for their literary significance, rather than as literal references, and i feel like the Wikipedia article should highlight that possibility, too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.85.60.134 (talk) 07:21, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

"equating regret with December is a mainstream American musical tradition" is not true at all. Instead, the "December" in Swift's song is about her own experience what happened one December long ago. The Oxonian Review is definitely giving the wrong impression. Noreplyhaha (talk) 03:52, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Editing Speak Now#Personnel

I just created links to what the musicians and production staff are credited for. I've seen these kind of edits get reverted sometimes, but I know of no provisions where that would be considered vandalism. If anyone wants to revert my edit, feel free to do so.--Kevjgav (talk) 21:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Background section needs work

why is it all about Fearless? i think whats currently under the following section, Recording and title, is more of a Background for this album. ill wait for a reply but i think we should remove the Fearless stuff and have whats under Recording and title as the Background section. i also added myself as part of the TS wikiproject so ill ask there Melodies1917 (talk) 15:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

@Melodies1917: I agree that it doesn't seem that well connected to the rest of the article. However, it seems to me that the main reason for including it is to explain that Fearless was a significant change in Swift's career because of how commercially successful it was. I'm not sure what should be done with it. Jc86035 (talk) 14:14, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

SoS

• https://www.soundonsound.com/people/taylor-swift-speak-now

HĐ (talk) 06:33, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

Background section is about Fearless...?

Did someone accidentally add the information about Fearless to the Speak Now page? There isn't any background on this actual album it just addresses her previous album which is, in my opinion, not relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alphabetsuper (talk • contribs) 17:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Me too. I’m not good at writing, but I’m pinging BawinV because he, unlike me, is a stellar writer who can write about anything. D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 18:19, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Damn, thanks! Well, no. "Background" generally refers to the events that occurred in the artist's career or anything related to the album before it was released. The background here simply talks about what happened with the Fearless album and the "Today was a fairytale" soundtrack single. But yeah, that section needs to be improved, but it's no mistake/accident. BawinV (talk) 18:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

No problem! That’s interesting, but I agree with you when you say the section needs to be improved. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 ^{(let's chat!)} 19:24, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

page title

i think the title of the page 'Speak Now' should be replaced with 'Speak Now (Album)', or 'Speak Now (Taylor Swift Album)'. All other pages on Swift's albums state that it is an album or taylor swift album in the title. People may also be unsure if they searched up the correct page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliviaives (talk • contribs) 07:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Oliviaives: Speak Now is the primary topic of the phrase "Speak Now". The other topics, while notable are disambuigated by other titles that can't be simply changed to "Speak Now"

• Speak Now World Tour, the album's world tour and that tour's, live album Speak Now World Tour – Live
• Speak Now (song), the title track from the album
• Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Piece an episode of a TV show receiving 167 times fewer views than SN
• Speak Now or Forever Hold Your Peace, redirecting to Cheap Trick (1977 album) (should redirect to Book of Common Prayer#Literary influence in my opinion)
• and Speak Now (Dead Zone), a redirect to an episode page

If you'd like to open a requested move that's fine, I just personally think SN is the primary topic and doesn't need to be moved. TheCartoonEditor (talk) (contribs) 15:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)