Talk:Special forces of Ukraine
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Querying whether POV
editVery biased. Veeeery one sided when talking about Donbass.205.175.97.132 (talk) 03:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Added a POV tag to the page. I agree it's definitely POV, and should be edited. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:55, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
- Well, IP user 205.175.97.132, you're welcome to your opinion, but this is a WP:TALK page, not a forum or soapbox for general complaints.
- Joseph2302, you're welcome to 'identify' an article as POV according to whatever criterion/criteria you measure POV (your own original research, perhaps?), but not to tag it because that's your point of view. I fully aware that you're a new user, therefore understand that you tagged the article in good faith. You have not, however, come up with any policy or guideline rationale as to how it is WP:POV. That explained, I'm removing your tag until you come up with a policy-based argument and reliable sources indicating other perspectives... and by that, I'm not asking for WP:QUESTIONABLE sources.
- Feel free to engage with other editors on this talk page before you make executive decisions based on your own opinion. This is, after all, an encyclopaedic resource and quality input is always appreciated. Also, please read the WP:NPOV policy carefully to ensure you fully understand the nuances of what 'neutral point of view' encompasses. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:05, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
- First of all, I'm not a "new" user, I've made about 1,000 edits, so stop patronising me like I don't know what I'm doing. I know what NPOV means, I'm not stupid, and have read the policies. Accusing me of not knowing what I'm doing, and effectively calling me a useless newbie could be considered bullying. This talk should be about the page, not making attacks on users and questioning their capabilities. Secondly, I completely agree that it's POV, which is why I tagged it.
- "Due to the inherent corruption of the Ministry of Interior many Spetsnaz units and commanders were sacked, Berkut being the most notable." (no source given about corruption)
"Therefore Ukraine's depleted spetsnaz forces, without the aid of a larger conventional force, or an effective local police force, were called to defend the state." (peacocking the Ukrainians) - How is that NPOV?!
- "Due to the inherent corruption of the Ministry of Interior many Spetsnaz units and commanders were sacked, Berkut being the most notable." (no source given about corruption)
- The whole section reads really weird, a mixture of pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian sentences interlinked. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
- I wholeheartedly agree that this article is in need to a good clean up and want to get onto it as soon as I get out from under a thousand other Wikipedia commitments. Your assistance with the actual content of the article would be greatly appreciated. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
- The whole section reads really weird, a mixture of pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian sentences interlinked. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:45, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
More Special Forces on the Ukraine wiki
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Merge with Special forces of Ukraine & Title Change
editI propose that this page should be merged with Special Operations Forces (Ukraine), or vice versa. Not sure which direction to merge, but perhaps the page title should be changed to align more with the official title of "Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine" (but maybe leave out the "of the Armed Forces" part). - Yaakovaryeh (talk) 23:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
It's not Spetsnaz.
editChange "spetsnaz" just to "Special Forces". "Spetsnaz", which is essentially shortened version of russian "специальное назначение"("spetsialnoe naznachenie" = special assignment/special forces), cannot be applied to Ukrainian special forces, because there's no such a word as "назначение" in Ukrainian language, it's completely a russian word. In Ukrainian language it would be "Спец. Призначенці", but still it's the name of ruzzian special forces just in Ukrainian language. So, Ukrainian special forces are called "ССО"(SOF), which is "сили спеціальних операцій"(Special Operation Forces). So you have to change it to either "SOF" or just "Special Forces". But it's not the goddamn spetsnaz. This is a real shame that you call Ukrainian SOF by the ruzzian SOF name 🤡 84.56.116.204 (talk) 00:49, 25 January 2023 (UTC)