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Infobox Image

I would like editors' opinions about updating the infobox to display this image of Spider-man: Web of Spider-Man Vol 1 129-1.png, from the cover of Web of Spider-Man #129.1 (Oct. 2012). It shows the character in his full, recognizable costume with the spider symbol in plain view (the current infobox image does not show the spider symbol). Also, I believe this image is aesthetically better than the current image, since the art is of a higher quality. DrRC (talk) 18:20, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

• Comment: I personally feel like the image you proposed is a little too dark. The current image is much brighter which I feel is more in line with how the character is generally perceived, both aesthetically and personality wise. I do very much agree that it would be good if the infobox image shows the symbol though.★Trekker (talk) 19:28, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Trekker, I fixed the exposure and brightness. You may have to refresh your history for the new one to show. DrRC (talk) 20:02, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I looked through all the versions and I still think the background is way too dark and murky. I feel that the clouds give a bit of an ominous impression that might not be right for a general introduction to the character, after all, he's not Batman.★Trekker (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

As I recall, the infobox image used previously to the current one was actually Spider-man at night. I disagree about any ominous impression, as it's just nighttime in my opinion, and I don't think the image must be Spider-man in the daytime. I do believe it's superior as an infobox image, since the costume is in full view and the art quality is significantly better. It's hard to make out what the costume looks like with the current image. I appreciate your input. DrRC (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I do agree that the current image is not the best choice, like you said, the costume is hard to make out the symbol is not visible. It is an interesting point that Spider-Man is often written as both a night time vigilante and a day time superhero. Still, I would prefer an image with a lighter background for the reasons I mentioned, althought I realize that that is probably just my personal preference.★Trekker (talk) 21:06, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Ok, to clarify then, you believe it is better to have the current image with its flaws over the proposed image, because the proposed image has a dark, nighttime background? DrRC (talk) 21:42, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

While I prefer to newly suggested image to the existing one for the spider-symbol reason, I'm betting we can find a brighter image somewhere that addresses everyone's concerns. --Tenebrae (talk) 22:15, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

For example, you probably couldn't do much better than this, which shows the full costume and shows him using his webbing, and has a plain white background. Plus, it's the character's co-creator and costume designer, Steve Ditko: http://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/12-ditko-spider-man.jpg .--Tenebrae (talk) 22:18, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Like Tenebrae said, I think we should find a third image, the one he proposed is very good, the only complaint I could guess it could possibly receive is that the art is oldfashioned, but I dont think we should concern ourselves with that.★Trekker (talk) 07:58, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I think Tenebrae's option is a nice picture, but there's already a high-quality Ditko version later in the article (cover of AF #15). DrRC's proposed image is superior to the current one. I understand the concern about the tone, but I do not share it. The character's pose is more important than the time of day or number of clouds in the sky, and this pose isn't menacing at all. I'm not sure how you'd show personality in a single image and avoid bias. I mean, which facet of the personality do you show? Him hugging his aunt? Him making a joke? Grieving over Uncle Ben's grave? Looking like he's had a rough day? Argento Surfer (talk) 12:39, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't feel like showing a definitive personality is necessarily needed, just that avoiding showing one which is much less common would be better. Tenebrae's picture is very neutral and I think that is way superior. It also shows him shooting webbing which I think is a good touch. I understand that not everyone will agree, probbaly not even the majority but that's just my stance. The other Ditko image is from the characters first appearnce on the cover of AF 15 and I don't feel like it should intervene at all with how the infox image should be.★Trekker (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I believe the proposed image is superior to both the current image and the Ditko image. Like Argento Surfer pointed out, the article already has better Ditko images. Also, the Ditko image is not of a high quality by today's standards. Contemporary artists using modern visual effects have created images in more recent years with realistic character muscular, lighting, and other details. While the Ditko image is from the Silver Age, it's not aesthetically pleasing. Spider-man looks rather stocky in the Ditko image, while the proposed image shows Spider-man as he's typically portrayed: with lean musculature, not entirely large in size, wearing the classic costume, and even in a classic squatting pose. I uploaded the current infobox image in 2015 thinking that it was better than its replacement, but I was hoping for quite some time to find an image that shows Spider-man as though you would think of him in your mind. I believe Web of Spider-Man Vol 1 129-1.png is that image. Trekker, please note that I cropped out the top of the image which had most of those clouds you mentioned. DrRC (talk) 17:34, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

"as though you would think of him in your mind." You've set yourself to an impossible task. Too many artists and adaptations. My Spider-Man is a cross between McFarlane and Bagley that sounds like the animated 90s cartoon. For many non-comic readers, Tobey McGuire or Tom Holland may be how they imagine Spider-man. Argento Surfer (talk) 17:42, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Right, no one pictures the same image in their heads; I wasn't being so literal. My point is that the proposed image is a recognizable Spider-man in just about every way. The current image is also Spider-man in his recognizable costume and physical appearance, but the costume itself is greatly obscured. DrRC (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

I think we just need to wait in for some more input from other editors. The Ditko image is still my pick but I won't think it's bad if the Web of Spider-Man one wins out, it's still a good image and better than the current one.★Trekker (talk) 18:32, 15 May 2017 (UTC)

Since we've waited, I went ahead and changed the image. Any issues can be related here. DrRC (talk) 06:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I can put this image? Is more modern. thumb-TeQuatro (talk)

Requested move 24 November 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved per WP:SNOW. (closed by page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:12, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Spider-Man → Spider-Man (Peter Parker) – The simple fact is, that there is no "main" Spider-Man, so one page shouldn't be called simply Spider-Man while the other is called Spider-Man (Miles Morales). Both characters have only ever gone by one title - Spider-Man. It doesn't matter who had the name first; see: Flash (Jay Garrick) HarrisonSteam (talk) 21:23, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose. I am not into comics, but even if I take it as true that there is more than one Spider-Man, surely Peter Parker remains the primary topic? Jenks24 (talk) 01:46, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose instantly. Don't waste our time on nonsense. Ribbet32 (talk) 02:02, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose absolutely not. Lepricavark (talk) 06:05, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose All respect to other versions, but Peter is the primary. -- Netoholic @ 10:43, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose, primary and by-far the most familiar. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:50, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2017

Sup 65.153.98.146 (talk) 14:39, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not requested a change.
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Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:51, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2018

Chris Cundiff (talk) 05:44, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: Spider-Man is not linked from that template. NiciVampireHeart 12:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2018

Chris Cundiff (talk) 05:44, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 12:29, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 May 2018

it says Spiderman is miles morales but its Peter Parker you dumbshits 2601:344:4000:2D26:29CE:9A92:D0F:2370 (talk) 23:08, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Try reading the article to get a full understanding, thanks — IVORK _Discuss 23:22, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

Lede first sentence

I changed the first sentence of the lede, giving the creators of Spider-Man precedence over the comic books in which Spider-Man appears in. I figured that the creators are more salient. Additionally, the comic books are just a niche aspect of the Spider-Man franchise, and don't have the audience numbers of the movies and TV shows, so it made little sense to suggest Spider-Man is primarily a comic book character. Thoughts? Kurzon (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2018

2401:4900:35F0:FAB:CE5F:BFFF:FE54:ED1 (talk) 11:47, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Not done. Please state your request as "Please change x to y" or a similar format to make your request clear. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:45, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Update Official Marvel Links in 'External Links' Section

New URLs for Spider-Man pages on Marvel.com:

Spider-Man (Peter Parker) Character Page: https://www.marvel.com/characters/spider-man-peter-parker

Spider-Man (Miles Morales) Character Page: https://www.marvel.com/characters/spider-man-miles-morales

Spider-Man (Earth 58163/House of M): https://www.marvel.com/characters/spider-man-earth-58163

Official Kids & Family Site: https://spiderman.marvelhq.com/

Potential New Links:

Spider-Man Homecoming: https://www.marvel.com/movies/spider-man-homecoming

Spider-Man PS4 Game: https://www.marvel.com/games/marvel-s-spider-man

DSilverman422 (talk) 21:01, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit

How do you edit this page

Faustino53 (talk) 18:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

This page has been protected from edits by new users because of vandalism. If you want to change something, add the code {{edit semi-protected}} and your proposal. Be specific and to the point. Cambalachero (talk) 19:28, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

New image

I think File:Amazing Spider-Man Vol 3 1 McGuinness Variant Textless.jpg is a better option than the current infobox image (File:Web of Spider-Man Vol 1 129-1.png). It's better lit and shows the character in action. Argento Surfer (talk) 19:21, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I did as well. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 01:56, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2018

In the Fictional Character Biography need to change it from "Spider-Man became the new headmaster" to "Spider-Man became a new teacher" The source of this it the one already provided Jacaelus (talk) 20:28, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 20:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

People are removing vital stuff

Many people are removing vital stuff of Spider-man like Alias, Partners, and allainces. They are legitimate information, please do not delete them Emadjshah (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

No one has disputed their legitimacy, just their significance. As you've been told repeatedly, any "alias" not mentioned in the body shouldn't be in the infobox. Argento Surfer (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I agree that most of the info in dispute probably doesn't belong there. However, given recent discussions at the project, and given that there is an ongoing series Spider-man/Deadpool, I'd support the inclusion of Deadpool. Also, any list of aliases that doesn't include the Bombastic Bag Man is clearly flawed. --Killer Moff (talk) 12:25, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

@Emadjshah: Insinuating that people who disagree with you don't know what they're talking about isn't going to win you any friends. And to reiterate what I've said repeatedly, no one is disputing that the items on the list are true. Our concern is that they aren't significant enough to mention. This is at least the third time I've explained this. You're a relatively new editor, and I can tell you have good intentions. I strongly recommend you read these two paragraphs and the opening paragraph of this section. To save you some effort, I'll quote the relevant part of the second one: "merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia". If nothing else, please read Wikipedia:Edit warring in its entirety. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:46, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't know about you, but I'm getting really tired seeing the page of my favorite superhero being unstable. If someone doesn't stop right now, I'm going to talk to somebody about this. I think that this the best solution if this doesn't stop, OK? Penguin7812 (talk) 18:22, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

You are the only one who thinks this is vital information. Not every single ally has to be on the list, just main core allies. Pinky Rhino (talk) 00:32, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I've notified Emadjshah on his talk page that his behavior could lead to a block, and he is responding. Argento Surfer (talk) 02:26, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

You know what? I'm with you bro! Penguin7812 (talk) 12:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

I will not let get blocked. You have been here for three years and it's a shame for you to get blocked. Then they should block me as well if they do this to you. :) ;) Penguin7812 (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Everybody, can we please take a breath here, and decide on here exactly what should be in the partners section, rather than keep on with the incessant edit warring, which will have to be reported and likely get several people a topic bad. Based on the current article, and what I've said above, I support Black Cat, Miles Morales and Deadpool. I would support Human Torch and Ben Reilly if they are given prominence within the article, with sources showing their significance. --Killer Moff (talk) 14:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

I only support characters mentioned within the body. I don't have any preference on who should or shouldn't be mentioned, but I'm concerned that willy-nilly additions to the supporting characters section will lead to crufty bloat that will just be nuked later. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:09, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Aliases

How many aliases should be listed in the info box. Currently, we have 11, which I believe is too many, and doubt the notability of most of them. Rather than get into an edit war, I want to get a consensus here to see which should be removed. Most of them seem to be nicknames for specific versions rather than true aliases. --Killer Moff (talk) 17:22, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

I'd remove all of them that aren't mentioned in the body, but Spider-Lizard, Spider-Hulk, Iron Spider, and Liar are particularly insignficant. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Penguin7812:, as the person who added some of these recently, do you want to say anything?--Killer Moff (talk) 13:01, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 December 2018

I want to change that tom Hollands spider-man will be in 2019s Spider man far from home. Rosscorfc11 (talk) 20:10, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:21, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

 Done Sources are plentiful for this. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:37, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2019

197.235.210.153 (talk) 14:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

 Not done It's not clear what edit you'd like performed. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:58, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2019

i would like to edit Thesmartcat556 (talk) 08:03, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone will add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. Danski454 (talk) 11:20, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

"Controversies" section?

In the UK, the state news channel is running a story which doesn't shine well on the Spider-Man franchise. Does this warrant coverage on this page? If so, in which section? ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 14:32, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

The article has nothing to do with the Spider-Man franchise - you're conflating it with the Marvel / Disney corporation. It's also not worth including on this page or the Marvel page. A corporation declining to license it's IP to an individual isn't newsworthy. DC did a similar thing with a Superman tombstone a few years ago in a case that arguably more tragic. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:56, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

"Stark Armor" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Bombastic Bag Man" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2020

66.215.170.169 (talk) 04:38, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

I wanted to add that Spiderman can be met at Disney Parks and will be featured in an upcoming attraction for the Marvel themed area at Disney California Adventure.

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - FlightTime (open channel) 04:39, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020

                                                                                 Directed  by
                                                                             TIM   JOHNSON

                                                                                Produced  by
                                                                       MIREILLIE SORIA, p.g.a.
                                                                      SUZANNE BUIRGY p.g.a.
                                                                 CHRISTOPHER JENKINS p.g.a.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.48.63 (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2020 (UTC) 

Excessive fictional character biography

Like too many Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics character entries, this suffers from an absurdly over-detailed fictography that run completely afoul of WP:CMOS#PLOT, which says in part:

plot discussions must be concise summaries, not detailed abridgements that can serve as a substitute for the reading of the actual story. Summarising should never be on a per-issue basis and should only outline the plot rather than describe minor details. Additionally, plot descriptions must include cited reference to critical analysis published in secondary sources. Editors should approach the discussion of fictional concepts within a "real world context"; this means editors should describe fictional elements in terms of how they relate to the real world, as fictional characters or topics.

I've tagged this article's "Fictional character biography", which needs to be much more concise and with real-world citations as to significance. This over-detailed, blow-by-blow biography is overwhelming and unnecessary for the general-audience reader at which Wikipedia is aimed, and verges on turning this into a fansite. There is no reason that the section on the 2010s should be bigger than every other decade combined.--Tenebrae (talk) 22:18, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

User:AlanSigma, who was reverted for excessive fancruft of the type noted above, has begun edit-warring rather than following WP:BRD and discussing his concerns on this article talk page in order to try to reach consensus with other editors. Also, adding nearly 27,000 character of mostly fictography runs in exact opposition to the "excessive plot" tags in the article. I invite AlanSigma to discuss his concerns here. Addendum: I have now extended an invitation on his user talk page.--Tenebrae (talk) 01:24, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I apologize for the excessiveness and for not noticing the messages warning me about them at first. I absolutely didn't intend to seem aggressive or stubborn and I see how that came off when I wasn't addressing the issue. I appreciate the comments from User:Tenebrea and absolutely understand where I went wrong. I'm new to this but will learn. I apologize. AlanSigma (talk) 12:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2020

Spider man into the spider verse 67.2.88.136 (talk) 00:01, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2021

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File:Superior Spider Man

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2A00:23C6:D888:701:DC45:31B2:668E:A81 (talk) 17:41, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Superior Spider Man Is An Fictional Character From The Marvel Universe. His Real Name Is Peter Parker. A High School Student Peter Parker Became Spider Man After He Got Bitten By A Spider. He Was 18 When He First Became Spider Man. When Otto Octavius Did Before His Death, He Finally Gave The Superior Spider Man Suit Back To Peter Parker. Peter Parker Is Voiced By Andrew Garfield & Otto Octavius Is Voiced By Ben Affleck. A Friend Of Peter Parker Is Harry Osborn. Harry Osborn Became The Green Goblin. Harry Osborn Is Voiced By Dylan O'Brien.

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2021

change peter Parker to Lincoln Patrick Womack please Spider man is my favorite super hero ever and I would love for you to do this. Thank you. SPIDER-MAN567 (talk) 00:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done. Not constructive. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 01:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2021

in the awards section of this page it should be added the 2019 Eisner award for best single issue for Peter Parker The Spectacular Spiderman #310 by Chip Zdarsky 79.35.134.176 (talk) 16:35, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

per [1] Argento Surfer (talk) 17:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done WikiVirusC^(talk) 14:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Would adding some videos from movies make this look and feel better?

I personally feel that it's better when you see things rather than try visualizing it. Because not everyone can visualize everything in the same manner we want them to visualize. For example , while describing a fight scene , it's better to put up a video rather than writing it. I personally feel it's difficult to read and visualize at the same time.

You won't be able to find a video that has an acceptable copyright license. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2021

Hi this is Eliab, um so I kinda noticed that one of Marvel superhero Spider-Man's abilities in the infobox, martial arts is deleted, but according to Spider-Man's powers and abilities, he is said to be honed in martial arts by using his spider powers due his years of fighting crime, and there's the evidence that after Spider-Man is self-taught in martial art moves that are reliable to his powers during his years of crime-fighting in his own time next; there's the evidence that he was trained by Captain America and Shang-Chi, a two martial art superhero experts, so why can't we revert back like "Master martial artist" and then add "hand-to-hand combatant" in the infobox in Spider-Man? Can that be a good idea? 108.63.123.243 (talk) 16:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Please feel free to join the discussions further up the page. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:06, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Spidey IS a martial artist

Why does Spider-Man's martial skills keep getting deleted from the powers and abilities section? He isn't a dumb brute. He actually developed his own fighting style, "the Way of the Spider", during the Dan Slott comics. Is this one of those "Spider-Man is [insert random thing here] in a comic book, but not as a character" things? Leader Vladimir (talk) 21:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

I think, if you have a reliable source, you could include this information in the text of the article with a reference and be justified in adding it to the category. Rray (talk) 21:52, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

You know, I've read some comic books about how Superman mastered various Kryptonian martial arts -- I remember him using a move called the "Klenarian muscle lock" in an issue from the 1970s. He also learned how to box from Muhammad Ali. But we don't describe him as a martial artist or amateur boxer based on this because it isn't a notable aspect of the character. LOL, I just saw that you added that information to the Superman article, too, after I wrote this. Sigh. Rray (talk) 13:11, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, it's the truth, isn't it? Leader Vladimir (talk) 21:31, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Truth isn't the criterion for inclusion; notability is. I'd suggest that Spidey being a martial artist (or Superman being an amateur boxer) is a trivial aspect of the character, as opposed to Batman or Shang-Chi, where it's a notable aspect of the character. Rray (talk) 00:06, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

So, that's it? We're not gonna include them simply because these particular aspects of these characters only come into the forefront here and there? Leader Vladimir (talk) 03:20, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

The question isn't whether these aspects come into the forefront here and there. The question is whether these aspects are trivial or notable. I think Spidey's status as a martial artist is about as notable as Superman's status as an amateur boxer, but I'm interested in other opinions or coverage in reliable sources. Rray (talk) 11:30, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

If the character's martial arts skills were routinely mentioned then perhaps. I can't remember the last time they were brought up outside of the story that introduced them. I'd also debate the use of the word "Master" in describing his skills. For the moment, it's not an important enough aspect of the character to appear in the infobox. --Killer Moff- ill advisedly sticking his nose in since 2011 (talk) 11:50, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello it's Eliab so my idea is that; I kinda noticed that one of Marvel superhero Spider-Man's powers, skills, and abilities in Spider-Man infobox, martial arts is deleted but there's the evidence that he does know martial ares, so according to Spider-Man's powers and abilities, he is said to be honed in martial arts and hand-to-hand combat by relying on his superhuman-spider-like powers due his years of fighting crime right after he became Spider-Man, and there's the evidence that after Spider-Man is being professionally self-taught in fighting skills including martial art moves and hand-to-hand combat skills that are reliable to his abilities, and also; there's the evidence that he was trained by Captain America and Shang-Chi, a two martial art superhero experts, into surpassing his normal skills into advanced and better skills, so why revert like "Master martial artist and hand-to-hand combatant" in the infobox in Spider-Man? Can that be a good idea? 10:45, talk 7 September 2021 (UTC)]

Eliab, I think this has been discussed pretty thoroughly on the talk page already. I don't see a consensus for including that information as it's a trivial aspect of the character. Rray (talk) 14:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Is there a way to ask some people to make changes for Spider-Man's powers and abilities inbobox? 10:24, talk 10 September 2021 (UTC)]

You're participating in that discussion right here. Rray (talk) 23:25, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

I was just only asking to revert back "Master martial artist" and then add another one called "hand-to-hand combatant" in the infobox of Spider-Man. 16:14 (talk) 12 September 2021 (UTC)

I understood what you were asking. There's not a consensus here to do that, and you can read the reasoning in the discussion here. Rray (talk) 12:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

1954

How come this Spider-Man costume from Ben Cooper Inc from 1954 isn't mentioned as a possible inspiration for the character in the article? https://nypost.com/2015/07/14/did-stan-lee-steal-spider-man-from-a-brooklyn-costume-shop/24.50.191.142 (talk) 15:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

That's an interesting article, but it provides no credible evidence that anyone was inspired by the costume. There's just speculation and circumstantial claims. Before the Halloween costume could be cited in this article, the story would need to be either collaborated by contemporary evidence or creators, or repeated by other sources enough to be a widely accepted possibility. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:39, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

OK.24.50.191.142 (talk) 15:09, 29 September 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2021

Fix/remove incorrect formatting with "{ { plainlist | " at beginning of "Partnerships" in sidebar

}} Harrim4n (talk) 14:19, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done ― Itcouldbepossible^Talk 15:00, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021

Change 'become' to 'became' when referring to Miles Morales' gain in popularity Craldu77 (talk) 02:57, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 08:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021 (2)

Change 'later' to 'and was' when referring to Mile Morales being included in the main continuity. Connects the two clauses better. Craldu77 (talk) 03:04, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 08:11, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

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Lee & Ditko contributions

I edited it before, but someone reverted it: Lee & Ditko created neither Black Cat nor Venom, even though the introduction says that they did. Either the characters need to be removed from the list, or it has to be made clear that Lee & Ditko didn't create those characters. Packer1028 (talk) 03:53, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Spider-Man's nicknames

So shouldn't we also add after I put Spidey such as, web-head, web-slinger, wall-crawler, The Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man? Aaeliaba (talk) 19:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2022

Spider-Man is a vigilante. You should add somewhere within the opening paragraph that Spider-Man is a vigilante. Splat41 (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

Fictional character biography

Ok, I gotta ask: do we really need an entire section dedicated to Spidey's life. He is a fictional character, which means that terms like "dead", "alive", "past" or "current" don't really apply to him. Wikipedia is a general information database, not a website dedicated solely to fans of Spider-Man, so it would make sense to uphold the rules about describing fictional characters the way they're best-known to audiences rather than describing them in a way that only the most dedicated comic book fans will understand. What do you say? Leader Vladimir (talk) 03:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

That your argument is nonsensical, since fictional characters have pasts. Dimadick (talk) 19:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, fictional characters have pasts. That should be obvious. I just don't see the usefulness of a character having an extensive biography in a general information website like Wikipedia. Look at Superman. The basic aspects of the character are already covered in the "character overview" section without looking too detailed. Leader Vladimir (talk) 01:49, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Character biographies are an essential element to what a character is. Whether or not this one is "extensive" is subjective, although I would agree that most FCB sections do end up that way. The treatment of the Superman article is somewhat novel and is the result of hard effort by one editor, who has met a lot of resistance for what others have seen as SYNTH and OR problems. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

To put it simply, the Superman article is pure crap and rather uninformative. I have had to look on other websites for basic information on the character. Dimadick (talk) 18:05, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

The Superman section is nice and concise. The Spider-Man section is an interminable litany of factoid after factoid. That a decent fictional biography, if it is derived from the primary sources, would strike some as synthesis may be so, but that's a given since such a biography is necessarily a compression of a thousand picture books. The alternative is what we have here: a collection of fan facts. Yes, way too many such articles end up like this, in part because of Wikipedia's attraction for young computer-literate men, and in part because we just let them. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Agree with Leader Vladimir. The fictional biography is just plot summary, which should be concise. The focus should be on real-world information rather than a detailed plot summary. It's not a question of leaving out this information; it's a question of being judicious about how much of it is included. Also, the Superman article is not "pure crap." In fact, it's an example of how focused on the real-world stuff should be weighted heavily compared to the excessive plot summary included in this article. Rray (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

It is a random list of trivia, that fails to explain anything of the character's biography. I would barely call it a stub. Dimadick (talk) 15:36, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

When I was working on this article back in 2009 to get it into GA shape, the FCB section of my finished product was much smaller than the publication history: [2] So maybe it just needs to be trimmed down to look more like that. BOZ (talk) 21:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

"Human spider" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"The Human Spider" listed at Redirects for discussion

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First image

Should the editors replace first image with amazing fantasy 15 cover? 75.22.17.130 (talk) 17:46, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

The main image was picked over AF15 because it's a better representation of what Spider-Man typically looks like (blue instead of black). It's also just him, not him carrying a criminal. Argento Surfer (talk) 18:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Official Website

This goes to Marvel, but give a 404 Page Not Found Jokem (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Creation of Spider-Man

This used to be an article, long ago:[3] and I did not check to see if those sources are in use in this article, but I am just making a note here in case anyone else wants to see if they can use them. BOZ (talk) 21:12, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Mistakes

I am unable to correct them because the page is locked, but there are a number of grammatical mistakes and poorly written sentences in the section on Spider-man's powers. 2600:1700:8150:5C20:FDE8:3D80:7BB2:3BD8 (talk) 01:04, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Graph image in Cultural impact and legacy section

When you click on the graph image source and log in to The Licensing Letter it redirect to the last Licensing Letter list from 2018 and not the one from 2016. Should we remove the image? I'm not sure if the Licensing Letter list from 2016 is behind a paywall now. Timur9008 (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Betty Logan what do you think? Timur9008 (talk) 11:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

It's probably a good idea. The 2016 letter doesn't seem to be accessible, and in any case, the information in the graph is probably out-of-date. Betty Logan (talk) 10:15, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

 Done Timur9008 (talk) 10:28, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Article reassessment?

I propose that this article needs to be reassessed its GA status, as it was last reviewed in 2009. The article from that time looked vastly different to what it is now. Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 18:07, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Support reassessment Timur9008 (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Checking per good article criteria:

1. Well written

• Prose: Checked: Looks good to me (I've already copyedited the article, no major grammar flaws or spelling mistakes were found)
• Manual of Style compliance: removed a few editorializing words (per words to watch)
  • Lead, layout, words to watch, fiction: Checked

2. Verifiable with no original research

• List of all references with appropriate formatting: Checked
• Reliable sources with inline citations for questionable material: Checked
  • There are only three or so "citation needed" tags, so this article will not fail GA reassessment instantly.
• Original research: nothing found. Checked
• Copyvios
  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector report can be found here: [4], with the top source having a 66.7% violation possibility (however, the source is a fan site and Wikipedia mirror. The article does not cite this source at all.)

 Comment: I'm really not sure what content is plagiarized here, so if anyone could check it for me, that would be great.

3. Broad in its coverage

• Main aspects addressed: Publication history, character development, impact on popular culture: Checked
• Focused on the topic: Checked

4. Neutral

• Checked: The article doesn't make fun of the creators or praise Spider-Man in the author's own words.

5. Stable

• Checked: When I copyedited, there were no edit wars.

6. Illustrations and supporting materials:

• Checked, and I've added alt texts for each image.

Tarantula^TM (speak with me) (my legacy) 23:27, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

Removal of a comic from Spider-Man publications

Batman & Spider-Man: New Age Dawning should be deleted from this section (as it no longer has a page) just as Spider-Man and Batman: Disordered Minds was deleted from it long ago.2600:1700:B570:3BD0:797D:F456:EE7D:E8B2 (talk) 15:21, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2021

Why isn't there written what.did he do with his powers