Talk:Squid/GA1

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Reviewer: Dunkleosteus77 (talk · contribs) 19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply

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  • I'm gonna read this out of order
  • ref no. 57 isn't right
Removed stray params. Source supports the figures stated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:36, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Said 10 m, updated NZ ref. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Fixed three. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Copy-edited. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • "As systemic blood returns via two vena cavae to the branchial hearts," so does blood go systemic heart → body → branchial heart → gills → branchial heart → systemic heart? You should probably give a brief sentence charting the course of blood   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Rephrased. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Expanded. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
It's probably the most direct way possible, and will be familiar to anyone who's done basic human biology in school... Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I don't know what kind of advanced biology classes you're taking, but where I'm from, we stick to mitochondria is powerhouse of cell   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  21:03, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Brit kids do it at age 14 or 15... I've added a gloss in the text. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:49, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Both defence and offence, i.e. for the visual systems of both the squid's prey and predators. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Well since the Defence section deals only with ink, you should probably just change it to Ink squirting or some variation   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  21:03, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:21, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
It really should have the word "ink" in there because if someone's trying to find information on squid ink, we want it to be easy to find. You could call it Ink, Inking, Squid ink, Ink ejection, etc.   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Added 'ink'. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:23, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:32, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • "...groups of Humboldt squid hunt cooperatively, using active communication," this seems to me to belong more in the Behavior section somewhere. Is there enough information out there to have a section on squid hunting behavior? You could also conceivably put it in the Feeding section   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  19:52, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I have moved the information and expanded it slightly. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:54, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for taking this on. I will get onto it tomorrow, being distracted at the moment by expanding Coronula diadema so as to better understand whale barnacles! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:17, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I'm doing the same thing with belemnites. They may not be squid, but close enough   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  16:08, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yes, that was quick! Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:32, 25 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Added ink. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:27, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Do species that produce light not produce ink?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  01:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Since the taxon Decapodiformes appears to be a clade, the taxobox fits the bill perfectly. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:25, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
So are all Decapodiformes considered squid then?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  17:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
See the discussion in the Taxonomy and phylogeny section. If it's accepted that cuttlefish are a kind of squid, then yes. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:13, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Well then should we merge Decapodiformes into this article?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Straight after this GAN, it should be proposed. If accepted, we merge it to here; if not, we use the other template. Chiswick Chap (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Good idea, that's a beautiful photo. Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:30, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Which images are you concerned about? Articles can use images with any of the many kinds of PD or CC license acceptable to Wikipedia, and even fair-usage images at a pinch. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
the giant squid one, but it should be fine   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  17:47, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I see. Let's use File:Giant Squid NASA.jpg instead. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Remember unit conversions   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Done, the clutter messes up the caption format nicely. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:36, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Clarified. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:46, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Clarified. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:46, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:46, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Small toothlike structures. Added a gloss to that effect. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:20, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:19, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
  • Is the entire second paragraph of Development just about the Hawaiian bobtail squid? It seems a bit off-topic to put so much detail, so you should probably limit it to maybe a sentence or two. Are there are lot of bioluminescent squid or is that the only one? I imagine deep sea squid have this   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  17:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Ceranthor might like to reply to this one. However, yes, there are many bioluminescent squid species, and this one has been well studied. I'll add a brief lead-in to the paragraph which may more or less sort this one out, perhaps. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:06, 26 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Okay because the entire thing seems to imply to me it's just the one species   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  03:15, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I've moved the diagram of the light-producing organ to Development to accompany the text; but it might be better to have both under Camouflage, in which case the text would indeed need to be cut down and merged with the text about the organ there. I'm happy either way. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Either is fine by me. Happy to cut things down if y'all want. ceranthor 14:11, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Mmm, yes. I've added an image of a bobtail swimming, and of a glass squid, er, being buoyant with its enormous coelom, in the relevant sections. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:04, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Well, I don't understand it either but it comes from Ruppert and the embryology is relevant to the suid's development. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Okay so let's try to figure this out together. What sentence(s) are you citing? Copy/paste it here, I'll see if I can make sense of it. Also, do you wanna use "larval" or "planktonic"?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  01:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Basically, the passage came from the Octopus article because cephalopod development follows a common path. Embryology is not a subject I have studied but that does not mean I cannot paraphrase the source in my Invertebrate Biology. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:58, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
right but you need to paraphrase it in a way that’s digestible. Right now, I have absolutely no idea what it means. What does it mean to have superficial cell division?   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  14:38, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Right, here is what the source states: "Cleavage is superficial and meroblastic, with only the cytoplasm at the animal pole undergoing cleavage. This results in the formation of a blastodisc of cells at the animal pole that develops into the embryo. During gastrulation the margin of the disc grows down and around the yolk mass to enclose it in a yolk sac that is eventually incorporated into the gut." Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
okay so what’s happening here is that egg-laying creatures typically have a yolk, and cell division (cleavage) occurs in a disc-like lump on top (the “animal pole) called the blastodisc which, because it’s the only thing there with cells, eventually forms the embryo. Then the yolk is incorporated into the forming embryo (“in a yolk sac”) during gastrulation when all the cells are beginning to differentiate themselves to eventually serve different purposes (like the heart cell is now different from the brain cell). So, now that you know what’s going on, reword it   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  18:38, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
OK, I think I am not going to be bullied into changing the wording, which as far as I can see is accurate but a bit technical. I see nothing in the GA criteria that says that everything in an article should be fully comprehensible to a reader who knows little on a subject. Perhaps you could point out the criterion you are using to demand this change. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:15, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
1a where it says the prose is clear. You said it yourself, you didn’t understand the sentence either   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  15:35, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yes, it must be clear. I've tweaked the wording and added a wikilink. Very little actually had to be changed. Hope this is ok with both you folks. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:02, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Actually, many squid (not to mention octopuses) do the same. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:24, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Some may, but they vary according to species and many are simply not known. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
the Reproduction section reads like all squid lay eggs onto substrate   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  20:33, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Added. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:22, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I couldn't find a general source so I picked some common species where I could find the information. Some squid are much better researched than others. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:08, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:35, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:31, 27 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
What problem do you have with this sentence? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:05, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
it reads that because squid live in midwater, they can’t have gas filled chambers inside their shells to provide buoyancy   User:Dunkleosteus77 |push to talk  14:38, 28 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Rephrased. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:06, 29 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
I think here is it for the foreseeable. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I saw that. However, Cott died in 1987, so I calculate that in 2058 the book will be PD. I've no idea what the Wayback guys think they are doing, but it sure looks like a mistake to me. There is no ISBN; I've added the OCLC for you.Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:33, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Replaced. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:45, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Fixed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:40, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thanks, something went awry with the parameter names. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:37, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply
Thank you for the review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:01, 30 January 2019 (UTC)Reply