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Result

Latest comment: 15 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The result should be just Sri Lankan Armed Forces victory. The others should be deleted, because they occurred before the end of the war. 75.31.73.27 (talk) 00:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

UN Inquiry?

Latest comment: 14 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Should a section be added about the UN inquiry into civilian casualties towards the end of the war? Sri Lanka attacks UN over civil war human rights investigation - http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/sri-lanka-attacks-un-over-civil-war-human-rights-investigation/story-e6frg6so-1225883297177 Faaaaaaamn (talk) 02:58, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The War crimes in Sri Lanka article covers this but a mention in the Sri Lankan Civil War article might be useful.--obi2canibetalk contr 22:02, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Sri Lankan Civil War: Does the name accurately reflect the event?

Latest comment: 13 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

A civil War is defined as a war between political fractions of the same country according to the Online Etymological dictionary. In the colloquial usage it gives an idea that two fractions of the civilians of a country waging a war among themselves. However the conflict that took place in Sri Lanka was between a terrorist group, namely the LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) and the Government of Sri Lanka. Therefore it is misleading to call it a Civil War. It maybe better described as The Sri Lankan Separatist War. Roshan Dassenaieke 16:19, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Tamil Elaam was a state that had judicial, executive, police, and a news station abilities as well as had normative business and farming practices. Their connection with the LTTE does not diminish their legitimacy at that time as the normal government in that region of the world. Neutralaccounting (talk) 21:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


Modern Language Association (MLA): "civil war." Online Etymology Dictionary. Douglas Harper, Historian. 24 Feb. 2011. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civil war>. — Preceding Roshan Dassenaieke 16:24, 24 February 2011 (UTC) comment added by Roshandass (talk • contribs) 10:10, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


Victory Image

Latest comment: 13 years ago23 comments5 people in discussion

Nowhere it is mentioned on the image the monument is "Eastern peoples' victory monument".HudsonBreeze (talk) 17:53, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

All I see is "Humanitarian something of Eastern something", unless there's something written in that language above (I don't know what the language is :p). If it's a publicly oral term, it shouldn't be mentioned without a source.
Is there anyone that can read the language? I also think that the official language should be added to the Sri Lanka article, not only the body article. ~ AdvertAdam talk 20:58, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
It states "Nagenahira Janatha Jayagranaya" in Sinhalese on the triangular top, translated: Eastern peoples' victory. Cossde (talk) 04:40, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification... That's what I expected, as the uploader of the image is a respected editor. ~ AdvertAdam talk 08:49, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Adamrce, the Editor might be a respected editor, but we can't take something in Sinhala language while there is no Tamil language usage at all while there is a contradictory English language version for monument which is located in majority Tamil populated region. I revert it back.HudsonBreeze (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
That is no excuse to revert since this is only one side of the monument, if you where to go round to the otherside yo would find its in two other languages hence the triangular top. Cossde (talk) 14:46, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Hope this would solve the problem. Astronomyinertia (talk) 14:55, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The Image and its usage on Wikipedia raise question how a monument which is erected on a region where the population is Tamil majority, is missing the Tamil version on it. But it claims, "Eastern people's victory". I will remove the image on this particular page if a proper explanation is not provided.HudsonBreeze (talk) 15:10, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
You got me there:) I don't have an image of the 3rd side, which is facing towards Batticaloa side of the road, featuring the Tamil version of the monument. But I can assure you the triangular top has its name in all 3 languages, Sinhala, Tamil and English and rest of the details entirely in English. Astronomyinertia (talk) 16:02, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Fine, then until you get the 3rd side of the image, please don't include the image on Wikipedia because when Tamil viewers especially from the Eastern region might be embarrassed in addition to the bogus claim on the "Easter people's Victory" by the Sri Lankan Military.HudsonBreeze (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
I don't see any reason to remove the image since, an English translation has been provided as requested. Furthermore we'll wait for a Tamil viewer from the Eastern region to state that he/she is embarrassed, instead of accepting you as the sole representative of the Tamil people. Coz the last people who claimed that were the LTTE. Cossde (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
The image should be removed. The Tamil viewers from the Eastern region have already cast their votes to the Tamil National Alliance which wants an Independent Investigation on War Crimes.HudsonBreeze (talk) 18:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
No the image should not be removed. If the Eastern people as you say dont agree their elected Tamil National Alliance will rename it accordingly. Then will do the same here. Until then there is no point in hiding it.Cossde (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

No, the bogus monument was constructed by the Sri Lankan Army. How can you expect people can remove it when the Sri Lankan Army is with weapons. The people have given clear verdict, please read, Tamil party sweeps local election poll and then TNA: The Tamil people demand 'full self rule', international investigation of war crimes, someone not partial will get the clear why the bogus monument should be removed on Wikipedia.HudsonBreeze (talk) 18:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

The English translation was in question that was proved here, many thanks Astronomyinertia. The case is solved. Mmmm guess no matter what is said here wont satisfy you since you removed it without waiting for a "proper explanation". This is an meaningless edit waring. PS: Just because you like the LTTE it doesnt mean that others dont like it or hailed its defeat. Cossde (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
It is not the LTTE defeat, but how it could be interpreted its defeat into "Eastern people's victory"....but a certain Military Victory.HudsonBreeze (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
Some one pls explain to me the logic in this ???? Bottom line the LTTE was defeated in the east and "a certain Military Victory" was gained it a major role played by the eastern people. Cossde (talk) 17:52, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
A few who left the LTTE can't be representatives of the Eastern region, then how the Tamil National Alliance secured a large number of seats in a series of elections in the Eastern region and the Tamil National Alliance wants an Independent Investigation on War Crimes?HudsonBreeze (talk) 18:06, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
My friend its called democracy, something which the LTTE didnt practice. Cossde (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
That every body knows, but it started with Sinhalese politicians who suppressed Tamil political aspirations after 1956 with violent means.HudsonBreeze (talk) 18:50, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
You guys are going way out-of topic. I just removed the interpretation and kept what's written on the sides we saw. Ain't tat fair enough? ~ AdvertAdam talk 18:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Astronomyinertia for the image, you're awesome. I never questioned your image tho :). ~ AdvertAdam talk 18:54, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I think that if there is a image depicting the victory of the EXCLUSIVELY sinhala armed forces under the command of their genocidal war criminal sinhala ministers and genocidal war criminal sinhala President who won his first presidential elections by promising the Sinhalese that he will wage a war on LTTE ,then there must be a photos of warcrimes done by the very same disciplined army like summary executions,corpses stripped nude by the disciplined army of the Sinhala establishment[they not just strip the corpses of Tamil women ,but even Tamil men].Mr.Gotabaya Rajabaksa ,the defense minister of the Sinhala establishment said in his recent interview to Headlines Today of India The LTTE is defeated ,so their is no need for us to give a political solution to the Tamils — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.71.142.219 (talk) 05:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Split

Latest comment: 13 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

This article is currently the 338th longest article in Wikipedia. I suggest splitting the "Reactions" to the end of the civil war to a separate article to improve the readability of the article. Astronomyinertia (talk) 17:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Map request

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

The article would be more informative if it had a map showing territorial control as the war progressed as it would make the strategic developments clearer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.72.129 (talk) 23:22, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Religious Differences

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

This article appears to intentionally withhold the fact that there are religious difference between the majority of Tamil and majority of Singhalese. This may be politically/religiously convenient, but withholds a significant piece of information, especially in regards to India's decisions during the conflict. Suggest this be included. Pneumawiki (talk) 18:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


India played as a part of intervene. Religion played a vital part in this prolonged Civil war.But that's apparent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shah-E-Zaman (talk • contribs) 14:39, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

NPOV dispute - specifically the sections addressing allegations of war crimes

Latest comment: 11 years ago4 comments4 people in discussion

Hi guys,

I think this is an extensive and largely well-written article. It does appear, however, to be missing some legitimate points of view, specifically, the on going dispute regarding the actions of the Sri Lankan government, especially at the close of the war. I understand this is a poor reference I am now citing, but to help direct the conversation here and the eventual addition of accurate information to the page, I cite the most recent Amnesty International report from March, 2013 [1]

I believe there is intent to avoid discussion of international opinion regarding the Sri Lankan government's actions.

It is also highly improper and not at all neutral to support the information in the article regarding allegations of war crimes and conduct during the war with references from the Sri Lankan government itself . While the international community has been slow to respond to these, there is now appreciation that an objective inquiry will be required and to that end, the information from the Sri Lankan government cannot be used as citations as it is clearly a conflict of interest.

I will endeavour to update the page with information from external sources such as UNHCR pending any response from previous authors.

Thanks guys,

all the best,

Stephen

Magmag001 (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. But its apprexiate if you can put neutrality tag sections wise. That is the proper way. --Himesh84 (talk) 09:27, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
  1. ^ http://livewire.amnesty.org/2013/03/07/sri-lanka-depicting-things-that-should-never-be-shown/

I happened to be in Sri Lanka in the summer of 1987. I was there for two months on a missions trip. I lived in the Columbo area most of the time, but traveled extensively throughout the southern half of the little island nation. I never saw any evidence that there even 98.160.134.245 (talk) 16:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)was a war. I remember time magazine had a cover on the war that summer and sensationalized it, but My experience was this "war" was an isolated religious conflict. The mountainous jungle terrain allowed the Tamil Tigers to move freely and hold out dragging this conflict on for years longer than necessary.

If you'd bothered to travel to the north you might have seen the war.--obi2canibetalk contr 21:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Missing key facts

Latest comment: 11 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Traditional tamil Dauvries - North Province of the Sri Lanka is the lowest populated area in the Sri Lanka. Sinhalese racists argument is that the area available per Tamil in Sri Lanka is very much higher than the area per Sinhala person. But a Tamil needs much area than a Sinhala to provide expensive dauvries to children. Sinhalese settlements in North is great threat to traditional dauvry system.

How about influence and motivation by India on civil war. They provided arms, training to LTTE just because they feel it is our right to rule the North and East. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shandimal (talk • contribs) 12:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

sources

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http://www.internationalpolicydigest.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Salt-on-Old-Wounds.pdf

Page 18

Out of a total land mass of 65,619 sq km, the Tamils inhabited 18,880 sq km of land in the north and east, but after May 2009, the defence forces have occupied more than 7,000 sq km (10.7%) of Tamil land. Area for Tamils has been reduced from 29% to 18% total area of Sri Lanka. Government stealing traditional Tamil lands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shandimal (talk • contribs) 12:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Future Protests

Latest comment: 11 years ago5 comments4 people in discussion

Protests like 2013 Anti-Sri Lanka protests or Attacks on Sri Lankans in Tamil Nadu in 2012 taking places years after the the war and future protests will not part of the War they not are part of the Sri Lankan Civil War which ended in 2009.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 09:35, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

I strongly disagree, since many of the events taking part after the war are listed here and protest that took place out side the war zone are also listed I dont see why it should not be included here. Cossde (talk) 12:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC) We can take a 3rd person opinion on this if you wish.2009 Tamil diaspora protests was a very major one and a Global one in UK for 72 days outside the parliament,Canada,Germany,,Norway ,France, other European Countries ,Australia,Malaysia amongst others and very significant coverage in media all over the world and it was discussed in various parliaments.It was the biggest protest during the civil war and carried on for months globally.Hence it is added there is consensus for it.Protests in Tamil Nadu cannot be compared.Only major events can be included in the Sri Lankan Civil War page and this does not come in this category.Protests in Tamil Nadu by students or local parties can have there separate articles but not be included here they are more related to Indian Politics.Before the 2014 Lok Sabha we may see many protests in India they are more related to Indian Politics.Every protest in India cannot be added to the Sri Lankan Civil War Page Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

There is no way 2013 Anti-Sri Lanka protests or Attacks on Sri Lankans in Tamil Nadu related to Sri Lanka Civil War directly. There are many protests by Tamils diaspora even after the end of the Sri Lanka Civil War, but they are not considered as major events like 2009 Tamil diaspora protests which was a major event all over the world simultaneously to stop the Sri Lanka's "War Without Witness" which cost more than 40, 000 lives in the War Zone in 2009.HudsonBreeze (talk) 13:44, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
If they are related to the article, please insert them. Otherwise all of them should be removed. We don't have standard measurements to rate a protest and say it is a major one or not. Do we ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.116 (talk) 09:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
We can add only those that took place during the course of the Sri Lankan Civil War from 1983 to 2009 ,2009 Tamil diaspora protests took place before the Civil War ended and was Global.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
Latest comment: 10 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

>> Festering wounds of Sri Lanka's war >> Sri Lankan family finds mass grave in garden>> Sri Lanka mass grave 'on old burial site' >> UN considers probe into Sri Lanka atrocities >> Sri Lankans still searching for missing sons >> UN approves Sri Lanka war crimes inquiry (Lihaas (talk) 17:20, 25 February 2014 (UTC)).

NPOV and RS

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This article suffers from a heavy reliance on direct press bulletins from the Sri Lankan government, one of the main parties to the conflict, effectively turning it into one large piece of partisan spin-doctoring. Bluntly put, it's an unacceptable mockery of WP:NPOV and WP:RS policies. At the very least, the article should have claims from the government consistently balanced with LTTE claims with explicit disclaimers as to the sources making the claims. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 23:31, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

be Wp;BOLD(Lihaas (talk) 16:14, 1 March 2014 (UTC)).
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Infobox: supported by

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I was triggered by today's addition to the article of Chinese support for the government in the infobox. While this is true, I added the documented U.S. support, for good measure. Which were the bodies that enabled weapons and money for the LTTE? Wakari07 (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Dozens of countries gave support during the civil war - USA, China, India, Russia, Israel, many European countries etc. The Sri Lankan military received arms, training and intelligence from numerous countries. Editors are adding countries in the infobox to score political points, not to build an encyclopedia. If they were serious about building a good article they would add it to the narrative.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:38, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Airdrops

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I added about the Indian airdrops or humanitarian aid to the rebels but it got undone twice. I added it as India was the only country (atleast mentioned officially) that is known for due to it's high Tamil population. It was not from my POV but as the media reports. Kommune12 (talk) 18:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

proscription of ltte as a terrorist organization

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ltte was not proscribed as a terrorist organization because of the attacks on government. it was proscribed as a terrorist organization when ltte attacked civilians. i added sources for this someone very biased towards ltte keeps deleting the information i add[1]. canadian proscription of ltte as a terrorist organization clearly satates "LTTE tactics have included full military operations, terror attacks against civilian" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dilshanheimler (talk • contribs) 18:59, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

That last revert was a hasty revert, I missed the Canadian source, which is fine. It has been added back.Oz346 (talk) 19:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/ntnl-scrt/cntr-trrrsm/lstd-ntts/crrnt-lstd-ntts-en.aspx#46
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