Talk:St. Martin's Day

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Gaudete Sunday

The information on Gaudete Sunday is very interesting. Some clarification is needed though. The preceding line states that Sundays did not count toward the forty day pre-Nativity / post-Martin fast. It is then obvious that Gaudete Sunday, itself being a Sunday, did not count toward the total of those forty fasting days. I suggest clarification on why Gaudete Sunday is specifically mentioned. For example: that it was an especially festive Sunday in the past, or that that it was considered a break in the fast, or that its name and the rose colored altar clothes signify joy, etc., etc.

Dutch Saint Nicholas celebration

I changed the Dutch celebration of Sintaklaas from Dec 6 to Dec 5 because this is when we celebrate it.

Cheers Robin

Quarter Days (UK)

This page states that Martinmas is a quarter day in England, Wales and Ireland, but the linked page does not agree - it says Martinmas is only a quarter day in Scotland. Who's right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.178.53.101 (talk) 16:00, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

The quarter day page is right. It was a Scottish term day and may also have been used for this purpose in some or all of the north of England. Itsmejudith (talk) 14:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Armistice Day

Whilst the truce on the Western Front (11.00hrs on 11/11/1918) fell on St Martin's Day I do not know of any evidence that the coincidence was anything other than chance. Accounts say that negotiations had been proceeding for some time and agreement was reached as soon as political circumstances (especially in Germany) permitted - see Armistice with Germany. 11.00 was chosen for it to come into effect because six hours was considered the minimum time needed to convey the news to fighting units on both sides. Unless somebody can point to good evidence to the contrary I suggest that any suggestion that it was deliberately timed for St Martin's Day should be removed. AJHingston (talk) 13:02, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should go. I've never heard anyone making the claim that Armistace Day has anything to do with the feast of St Martin.

Demdem (talk) 07:20, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree! Why don´t we take it out, 10 years after the comment was made?Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

protestant remembrance of Martin Luther on Nov 10th vs. catholic St Martins on Nov 11th

a) "In some regions of Germany (e.g. Rhineland or Bergisches Land) in a separate procession the children also go from house to house with their lanterns, sing songs and get candy in return."

At least for the Bergisches Land this is the protestant tradition 'Martinisingen' or 'Mätensingen' with respect to Martin Luther and not about St. Martins. So that should be corrected if no one opposes.

b) If Latvia celebrates on Nov 10th it might also be about Martin Luther and not about St Martin. Could someone check that? 88.152.238.169 (talk) 04:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Rhineland celebrations

" Martin's day is celebrated traditionally with a get-together during which a roasted suckling pig is shared with the neighbours." Unattributed and incorrect. In fact, I never heard such nonsense. In the Rhineland St. Martin's Day was celebrated with a feast of goose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.94.21 (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Germany: the entire second paragraph has been lifted, verbatim, from http://www.kaiserslauternamerican.com/st-martins-day-traditions-honor-missionary/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.145.94.21 (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 12 December 2015

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved (as to each). This is a single close of multiple related contemporaneous moves requests by one nominator – in no particular order, of:

• Talk:Cross of St. George#Requested move 13 December 2015;
• Talk:Order of St. Gregory the Great#Requested move 13 December 2015;
• Talk:St Joseph's Day#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:St Mark's Eve#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:St. Martin's Day#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:St. Andrew's Day#Requested move 12 December 2015;
• Talk:Order of St. George#Requested move 13 December 2015; and
• Talk:Fort St. Angelo#Requested move 12 December 2015.

The nomination text is near identical as to each ("To recover/relief/remove from/the abbrevation") and opaque to the extent that we can only infer that abbreviations in article titles are considered poor or improper for unspecified reasons and without a policy- or guideline-based rationale. Each has been opposed on the basis that there is no overarching prohibition or preference in our naming conventions against the use of abbreviations and that the common names policy does not support the move—that the use of St/St. as to each title is more common in a preponderance of reliable English language sources, than is Saint spelled out. Since that was only supported by assertion and by reference to a web search (as opposed to a search that tends to concentrate reliable sources, such as of books), I have done a spot check and it is borne out by quite a significant margin, e.g., this versus this. The chief ground for supports was to avoid contests/edit wars over whether or not to affix a period to the abbreviation, i.e, St versus St. We generally do not choose titles based on the possibility of edit wars but rather based on what title is proper, on the merits, under our naming conventions. If any user wishes to take on a requested move on that issue, that can be done separately – though they should probably read all subsections of Wikipedia:Manual of Style#National varieties of English first. Finally, I note that though one contributor was found to be a sockpuppet and his or her !vote was struck where it appeared, the sockpuppet charge as to the nominator was returned unsubstantiated, and does not figure in this close.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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St. Martin's Day → Saint Martin's Day – To replace the abbrevation. Chicbyaccident (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support WP:COMMONALITY to avoid editwars about the grammatical dot at "St. / St" due to English dialects -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:08, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support fully the replacement of abbreviations by clear informative full names. Peco Wikau (talk) 22:07, 17 December 2015 (UTC). BLOCKED SOCKPUPPET
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. The overwhelming majority of sources use "St." Also, please note that I started a sock puppet investigation of the proposer, the anon IP above, and Peco Wikau; both the IP and that account appear to be socks of Chicbyaccident. Rockypedia (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The result of this discussion may be impacted by the sockpuppet investigation of the proposer, and should await its outcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support avoiding the contested abbreviation in these cases. Srnec (talk) 13:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Google says 102k vs 17k. Alsee (talk) 18:02, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Beginning of Winter and end of Autumn

I quote: "in the agricultural calendar it marks the beginning of the natural winter, but in the economic calendar it is seen as the end of autumn" I was always under the impression that the end of autumn was the beginning of winter and thus do not understand the use of the "but" in the above line. SamiAEH (talk) 11:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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